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  Intercepting JW's on the 4th of July! Oh what fun!

  by HadEnuf in

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  i must tell you an interesting story from today.

  gary and i went thru a drive-thru for breakfast and were sitting at our local park (in the car) enjoying our high fat, high cholesterol breakfast when, low and behold, here comes a group of jw's sloooooowly checking out the area.

  (this is right by the river on the green circle trail, which is a favorite place for joggers, walkers, bikers, etc.

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  Well done, HadEnuf! any chance to warn people about this cult should be taken. Might save someone from losing their freedom, family, even their life. I have frequently referred to the jws as Nazis. mrs flipper
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  What is your most favorite hobby?

  by R.F. in

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  just wanting to find out some of you all's hobbies.. my favorite is video gaming.

  i love it and i love visiting video gaming stores.

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  Mr. & Mrs. Flipper love music live and recorded, blues, rock & roll. Love to hike in the mountains, camping, fishing, and golfing. Playing with our animals. Dogs, cats, bigfoot, in our backyard.It's a real blast. Take them all camping with us
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  Just Witnessed at my Door to an Elder and his Wife About Child Molestation

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hello all, just had an interesting conversation with a p.o.

  elder and his wife who were leaving me a incognito invitation to the "follow the christ" convention.i declined the invitation, but told them i had an associated press article i'd like to leave with them about molestation settlements jw's made outside of court.

  i asked if they were aware of this settlement.

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  Hello again folks. Just a response to those that wrote some stuff. Thanks again for your support guys. Arthur- It is true the witnesses all give canned responses and rhetorical answers to things they feel uncomfortable with. It's not very deep. Pretty shallow actually. Don't blame yourself for how you responded when a witness. Arthur we were all blinded by their communication styles. Nathan natas- I hope the elders wife rebels against his "alleged" authority. Johnny Cip- It did feel "righteous" to turn the tables on them and make em' listen to me for awhile. 1000 molested kids can't all be making it up!! Real isolated incidents, huh? Moshe- I wonder if the wife will question her elder husband in private, you know, so as not to embarrass him??LOL HorribleLife- Yes, it seemed that the elders wife was listening intently and more sympathetic to the problem of molestation than the damage control rhetoric the elder husband was spewing out to make excuses. Peace to you all, invite all your thoughts
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  Isn't Jehovah a wonderful God?

  by nvrgnbk in

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  when i look around at all the people in the world, i'm comforted to know that jehovah will soon destroy them.. i'm talking about people that don't attend our encouraging christian meetings.

  yes, people that don't zealously participate in the preaching of the good news.

  'what good news?

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  flipper

  The guy has issues. mrs flipper
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  So I used this illustration..about the Dateline show...got "cautioned"

  by UnConfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a few years ago when i was still going to meetings, but no longer an elder, i was talking to two brothers in my driveway (our house was a 'hangout') and brought up the dateline program and how the society had tried to df some of the jw's that went on the show, before the show aired to discredit them.

  one of the brothers 'cautioned' me.... .

  the other brother had just gotten married...so i turned and said to him: .

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  Very good Unconfused!! Great job of bringing the point home to them. Maybe they"ll get it, maybe they won't but you made it known to them that that kind of behavior of denial in the organization is wrong. Hopefully it made them think!.Peace, Mr. Flipper
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  Just Witnessed at my Door to an Elder and his Wife About Child Molestation

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hello all, just had an interesting conversation with a p.o.

  elder and his wife who were leaving me a incognito invitation to the "follow the christ" convention.i declined the invitation, but told them i had an associated press article i'd like to leave with them about molestation settlements jw's made outside of court.

  i asked if they were aware of this settlement.

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  Hello everybody. Thanks for your kind words. My main objective was to make this elder and his wife aware of what's going on, because I was pretty sure they had not heard of this , none of my jw relatives heard of it. I bet when they woke up this morning they didn't expect to get preached at about child molestation though. Like you guys say maybe it will make them think and ponder on this issue and other issues. I wonder now if we'll be put on their do not call list.Peace out, Mr. Flipper I was inside dyeing my hair - you don't know how bad I wanted to go and eavesdrop. Couldn't believe how long he kept them going out there - and that the voices sounded very friendly and conversational. you just never know.......mrs flipper
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  Just Witnessed at my Door to an Elder and his Wife About Child Molestation

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hello all, just had an interesting conversation with a p.o.

  elder and his wife who were leaving me a incognito invitation to the "follow the christ" convention.i declined the invitation, but told them i had an associated press article i'd like to leave with them about molestation settlements jw's made outside of court.

  i asked if they were aware of this settlement.

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  Hello all, just had an interesting conversation with a P.O. elder and his wife who were leaving me a incognito invitation to the "Follow the Christ" convention.I declined the invitation, but told them I had an associated press article I'd like to leave with them about molestation settlements jw's made outside of court. I asked if they were aware of this settlement. As I handed him the ap article and looked at the expression on his wife and his face I could tell they were'nt aware of this particular settlement. The elder said," We are aware of child molesatation occurences happening in the organization and we take care of the perpetrators" . I was lapping my chops . I told him," Are you aware that many victims have been told they or their families were not allowed to go public with this to the authorities, or they'd be kicked out of the church?" He said," That's not the directive we've had from the organization. I asked," What is your directive, then?" He said," We tell people it's up to their conscience if they go to the authorities for help. But we don't stop them from going." I said," Wouldn't justice cry out for you as an elder to go to the authorities since it's felony child abuse? Doesn't Romans 13:1 say to be in subjection to the authorities as long as it does not go against what your God tells you? Do you think God wants justice done for these child abuse victims, and the authorities allowed to mete out justice on the perpetrators ? " The elder said," I would probably go to the authorities if I knew it wouldn't endanger the victims". I asked, "Probably? No probably about it. Justice and what's right should dictate you going to the authorities!!"Then he said,"Well there might be an isolated incident where people have been told not to go to authorities". I interuppted and said," It's not isolated. This has happened hundreds of times in the United States alone." Then I asked," Did you see the Dateline program of 5 years ago dealing with what one elder found out in your church? Referring to Bill Bowen, of course." He said, "He had heard of the incident and that Dateline had put out a program on it. He said,'Datelines version of what happened". I said it was the truth.I told him it took more courage for Bill Bowen to come out with that information and risk being kicked out after 40 years of service to expose this molestation crisis than burying his head in the sand and not dealing with it. The elders wife shook her head in agreement. I told them the difference in their organization is they try to hide this information from it's members because you're concerned about outward appearances, not really dealing with the problems. Thus the 16 molestation settlements out of court. I contrasted it with what the Catholics did, coming out about it. The elders wife said," We appreciate how respectful you are in bringing this out to us. we see you are concerned that it doesn't get swept under the rug! I had molestations occur in my family so I'm aware of this problem." I asked the elder,"Do you know if the organization is going to print something in your Watchtower informing your members of what's taken place, so they can know the truth?" He said, "I can't speak for the organization. I don't know." Then I proceeded to tell them I had family who are witnesses and they didn't know about it either. I said, 'That's why education and informing oneself is so important, to protect yourself, so the information is not controlled which you recieve." I told them that's why I don't agree with the org. because they control what you do to be classified a good person. I told them I send my son to college but they don't acknowledge that as important. I told them,"If you do things important the chuch considers important then you are looked at as a good person. If you get your 10 hours or 20 hours a month in, you're considered "good". I framed my hands around them as if looking in a camera saying, "You are a "good" witness couple because you do the things your church tells you, but there are just as many good people outside your church doing alot of good things for people also. With this I had took 30 minutes of their time and their car group came to pick them up. I can tell I gave the elders wife something to think about. But that p.o. was one uninformed drone. He looked to be all of maybe 28 to 30.Hope they share the information with their car group, but Oh!, I doubt it you know, damage control. Anyway let me know what you all think? Peace to you all, Mr. Flipper
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  The Time and Effort you gave as a JW is worthless

  by JH in

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  2. friends

  this always bugged me.. no matter how much you did or spent for the watchtower, the moment you stop attending meetings and stop going out in the field service, it's as if you never did anything.

  isn't it written someplace in the bible that god remembers your actions of the past?.

  when i became inactive many years ago, i realized that all i did as a jw was down the drain because i stopped going to meetings and going out in the field service.. .

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  Jh- You mean I am going to get destroyed at armageddon? Oh well. I'll turn over and get more sleep from my nap, then wake up tomorrow, continue doing good to others who will appreciate it (not witnesses) and realize who really appreciates me. Peace, Mr. Flipper
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  Just want to show you what we saw...

  by Merry Magdalene in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the end of may my daughter and i were walking an overgrown path to the river, going to take pictures of each other in the wild roses, when we saw this--right at the edge of the path:.

  "mommy, look," she said.

  "oh no," i thought.

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  Very beautiful Merry. Mrs. Flipper and I do a lot of hiking in the mountains, it's not often you can get that close to a deer. You were lucky to get that innocent baby sleeping. Nice picture, we should all be so lucky
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  "But what do i tell the friends?"

  by zack in

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  2. friends

  so three weeks ago my wife and i had an emotional discussion wherein i finally told her that this religion was not the truth.

  there was much emotion, a chill has ensued in our relationship.

  (i haven't been to a meeting in 4 months now, and have not reported time in two months) i am sure many of you know the drill.. towards the end of our conversation, she asks: but what do i tell the friends when they ask about you?.

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  Zack- Mr. Flipper here. Yes it's true the"friends" will either think you are upset about something or spiritually weak, or both. Don't worry about what they think. Just tell your wife to tell them," He's down over a few things, we are taking care of it, thanks anyway." People need to mind their own business, believe me the more quietly you can fade and not say much to people if anything, it will go smoother for you. As for your wife and your relationship, just be honest with her, carefully. Don't assume her faithfulness to you is more important than her faithfulness to that cult. Be careful what you tell her in fading so she won't use it against you in a jc court of law. Tell her you love her, you have'nt changed, but you are just needing time to ponder things. If she loves you unconditionally, she'll understand. Good luck my friend, peace out, Mr. Flipper