Posts by flipper

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

flipper

Richard Oliver. It's not complicated. Of course you can make it complicated with debate tactics and statistics and all manner of word salad. And "facts".

Child abuse is horrible. Any decent and honest organization or person would do all they could to protect children from this.

Piss on the letter of the law excuses. This is a simple common sense issue. If the country you are in do not have laws to protect children, and there are no authorities to report to, then you work within your organization to rectify the problem. Yeah, can you picture the watchtower forming a charity to educate the public about preventing child abuse?

It is such a waste of time to go back and forth trying to excuse the watchtower's reprehensible behavior. Their transgressions far outweigh any good they do - they are dangerous.

We can vote on the issue but it is also effective to educate anyone who will listen about this problem in these innocent appearing organizations. Then they can vote also.

Quit playing around like this is a debate. The emperor does not have new clothes.

Mrs. Flipper

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

flipper

As for the laws of other countries - The watchtower SHOULD very simply do the right thing.

It's not like they have much regard for the laws of any country over their own rules.

They don't hesitate to impose ridiculously abusive rules on their membership in any country - they could easily make rules to protect jw children in the countries that do not protect children with laws.

That is, if they wanted to.

Mrs. Flipper

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Honest Questions About Child Abuse

by Richard Oliver in

i have two honest questions for everyone here.

i understand that most here want retribution from the courts against watchtower for child abuse allegations.

but let us take away the instances where someone was accused of child abuse and then later put back into a position of authority, such as an elder or an ms. let us just take the cases where a regular publisher or even an appointed person, with no previous accusation of child abuse has come up against that person.

flipper

It is and has been the watchtower's standard operating procedure allow pedophiles access to children, and to mislead the membership about the abundance of pedophiles in the religion. They promote the arrogant belief that joining their superior religion can cure these creeps.

They have shown more concern for pedophiles than for children - they will not keep them from participating because of something in the bible. (Sorry - I give no credibility to the bible's barbaric bs). Oh, they are supposed to be accompanied in the door to door work - they can still scope out children in the congregation and in the community.

Compare their concern for children: they have habitually told victims of child abuse to "wait on Jehovah" rather than report to authorities or to get psychological counseling. That jehovah will erase those traumatic memories in the paradise.

They are telling the membership that the news reports are all "Lies put out by satan".The membership is told to discount anything worldly and to believe and obey the watchtower even if it doesn't make sense in human logic.

Flipper's long time elder brother and his wife recently laughed it off as nonsense when he brought up the problem. Something like "Oh, that again - it's the news and rumors blowing it all out of proportion".

And that is just one of the serious abuses by this religion.

There is good reason to focus on the watchtower.

Mrs. Flipper

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MERRY CHRISTMAS

by jhine in

l don't visit very often now , but l wanted to drop in to wish all you folks a merry christmas and happy new year .

as l cannot find a thread already started for this l have started one !

in the immortal words of chuck berry ( l think ) " come on everybody " join in wishing your fellow posters a merry christmas , happy holidays etc .

flipper

Merry Xmas to everyone here and let's make 2017 a great year ! Peace , love & hugs from Mr. & Mrs. Flipper

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1975 statements

by A Believer in

from jw org.

“six thousand years of human existence”.

in 1969 the watchtower magazine in czech began publishing a series of articles based on the book life everlasting—in freedom of the sons of god.

flipper

Hey BELIEVER- Screw your 1975 WT Society justification crap . I just had an older JW parent die who had been told since the 1950's that she would NOT die in this system of things. Guess what ? She did not live forever in a paradise earth , she won't grow younger, she won't be healthy with no sickness and pain. Her sickness and pain brought about her death. And now many of us are sad she is gone. Stop making excuses for a criminal organization bent on giving people false hopes and illusions in order to control their lives and use up their money. Do research and free your mind from WT lies and indoctrination

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J.W. Elders Are Knowingly Complicit

by The Searcher in

for anyone who denies that the wtbts teaches jehovah's witnesses & potential converts lies and perversions of scriptures via their literature, here is a prime example:

w88 2/15 p. 9 further corrective counsel - "but because of human imperfection, at times serious disputes will occur.

jesus also provides guidelines for handling them.

flipper

WT Society has ALWAYS gone beyond " the things written " in the book they claim to follow- the Bible. When I used to be in the Witnesses - I even saw elders go beyond what even the WT Society printed as instructions on how to counsel JW's within the congregation. I could count hundreds of times I witnessed personally elders giving their own personal opinions as counsel to rank & file JW's and it caused these JW's MUCH grief. Because the counsel was idiotic !

And here's where the hypocrisy comes in - if elders gave out faulty counsel or wrong counsel to JW's - the WT Society would make excuses for these elders saying " they're just imperfect men " and instruct rank & file JW's not to " speak injuriously of these " glorious ones " (elders ) " - yet on the other side of the coin if a rank & file JW doesn't follow the WT Society's guidelines or " disobeys " they get jumped on and are considered " weak " in the faith. But what about the stupid elder that didn't follow proper procedures ? They are not even counseled. This is one of the main reasons I left this JW organization- there are different rules for those in power than the normal rank & file JW . I left cold turkey and never went back when I was treated in an unjust manner

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Is it morally wrong to put Watchtower behind?

by Darkknight757 in

with our latest and final run in with the elders, the wife and i had a very long talk about what's next in our life.

do we try to help others see the light as it were concerning watchtower or do we just let it go and move on with our life?

we have made it perfectly clear that we will never go back to watchtower and we are finally happy.

flipper

DARK KNIGHT- You and your wife deserve happiness and indeed it's NOT wrong to move on from the JW cult- in fact it Is the thing to do to save your sanity and free yourself and your wife. You will have freedom of mind by thinking for yourself outside of the WT mindset and your life will become sane and peaceful again I promise. Don't give away your power to the elders. They have no right or no justification to intrude into your life. They only have as much power as WE give them. Do not give the elders any power or control over you and your wife's life- then the elders will eventually stop calling. Ignore their calls, don't answer them. If you answer the phone and it's them- tell them you've said all you're going to say and hang up on them if you must if they won't stop. It's what I did and they stopped bothering me in 2003 . Take care, we are here as a support to you friend

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"Jehovah's Witnesses" : A religion - or a denomination of a religion?

by The Searcher in

"a christian denomination is a generic term for a distinct religious body identified by traits such as a common name, structure, leadership and doctrine.

individual bodies, however, may use alternative terms to describe themselves, such as church or fellowship.

" (wikipedia) .

flipper

Jehovah's Witnesses / WT Society are NOT really a " religion, " and NOT really " Christian " - they are a dangerous mind control cult specializing in control and financial extortion of it's members while disguised and masquerading as a " religion "

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Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

by NikL in

jw
friends

my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

flipper

Tuesday night's show was phenomenal. Absolutely mind blowing ! Leah & Mike interviewed David Miscaviges father- Ron Miscavige and it was some really crazy shit. David Miscavige actually had his people stalking and tailing his dad for a year and a half after his dad escaped the cult compound. And yes- he and his wife actually had to ESCAPE the compound by putting pedal to the metal on the car accelerator as they were never allowed to go anywhere. Locks on all gates, barbwire - they just finally bolted for freedom. Then one time when Ron Miscavige was being followed by his son's people he had to bend over clutching his shirt pocket to get his cell phone- the Scientologists following him reported back to David Miscavige they thought his dad was having a heart attack and should they move in on him ? David Miscavige said, " No, just let him be, don't do anything . " Very disgusting and of course David Miscavige has cut off his dad and his wife as have other Scientology Miscavige family members.

Also interviewed were a couple former Scientology higher ups who were victims of David Miscaviges beatings and physical abuse- absolutely riveting - my wife and I sat there crying for these people and the abuse they went through losing their whole families to shunning after escaping the cult- we know how they feel- many of us have experienced these same things in the Witnesses. Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are doing a MAJOR service to the world community and the United States by getting this information out on the Arts & Entertainment network. These are stories that NEED to continue to be heard and seen in order to get the public to take their heads out of their ass and start seeing the dangers of mind control cults like Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses. Like Leah Remini states, " Get your children and loved ones out of this thing ! " My sentiments entirely. I truly hope this series on Scientology opens doors. Take care, Peace out, mr. Flipper

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I feel really, really sorry for those born into the Jehovah's Witness religion

by jambon1 in

jw
friends

some facts that make the difference between you and me:.

1 - as a person raised by non jw family, my parents have never loved me based on conditions set out by a group of old men who they don't even know.

how does it feel to know that you are in the unique situation where your parents brought you into the world and said 'i'll show love to you.

flipper

JAMBON- Great thread. One of the best I've seen here in the last 6 months or so ! I relate to EVERYTHING you stated as my parents got into the JW cult 8 years before I was born as the youngest of their 4 children. I didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of breaking away from it until I was an adult. And even then it took awhile as I of course married another young JW woman who I had 3 children with. It wasn't until my kids were teenagers that I finally broke away from the shackles of bondage to the WT Society. It took courage on my 18 year old sons part to break free and courage on my part as a 44 year old raised JW to leave. Because many of us have suffered the shunning repercussions and ostracism from our JW families. I give a virtual computer hug to all of you ex-JW's on this board who have suffered injustices like me . We are survivors, we are strong. Keep the REAL faith my friends- trust yourself, trust your instincts. Thanks Jambon for this thread that is very real and personal for many of us. It's good to bring awareness about it to those who haven't experienced the shunning. Take care, merry x-mas