Posts by flipper

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First time here

by BarelyThere in

okay so here goes...this is my first time on here.

i'm lost and confused and am feeling very hopeless.

i was dfed in september and i am still wrapping my head around everything.

BARELY THERE- A warm welcome to you from me and my wife. I was in a DFed state for 4 years one time and I found that once I got reinstated it wasn't all wine and roses at all. People still didn't invite me or my teenage kids over for dinner and would only associate with me at the kingdom hall until I " proved " myself again. Sometimes it's not worth the hassle to be abused and looked down on. I thought to myself - " I stayed out for 4 years and worked hard to come back to this treatment " ? Then I quit attending meetings for good after being reinstated for a year. As you mentioned I started seeing the hypocrisy big time.

Please know and be assured that we offer our friendship and support to you here and we understand what you are experiencing. Hang in there, it's a challenging thing but know that you aren't alone we are here for you if you ever want to talk with any of us- O.K. ? Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Fisticuffs Erupts Between Mormons and JWs at Montreal Airport... WTF?

by Room 215 in

apologies if someone else has posted this before: .

http://vaticanenquirer.com/canadas-mormons-and-jehovahs-witnesses-brawl-trying-to-get-to-refugees-first/.

sorry, meant to say "fighting erupts" ... my bad.

flipper

Jesus Christ. And they say WE are " mentally diseased ". Incredible

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New here

by MarkofCane in

hello and thanks to everyone for participating on this forum it has really been of much value, for those of you that post here know that your words are not lost you never know who is reading your expressions, lives are being changed and nonsense challenged.

i’m not much of a writer so excuse my untrained writing style and grammar but i want to share my story to help anyone who is visiting here to see that we are real people, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who have come here for answers, there is no agenda, just searching for truth.

i hope my story will help others as so many here have helped me..

flipper

CANE- A warm welcome to you from me and my wife. Thanks for sharing your very touching story. You ARE a good writer - very expressive ! Don't put yourself down- the JW organization and WT Society did that enough to us all these years.

I was touched by your statement, about the graveyard, " There were hundreds of untold stories, thousands of them, there are more people that have died than are alive today. I thought of my father's death , the comforts I felt that I would see him, talk to him, walk with him again were quickly disappearing. I wept like a child. I finally really mourned my father."

I totally understand what you are feeling as I was a born-in JW from birth until I exited at age 44 over 12 years ago. I too have a long time elder dad age 90 who has been a JW since 1951. Here's the thing though : It's difficult, hard, if not impossible to get many JW's to appreciate the here and now and how important our current relationships are- because - they are indoctrinated by the WT Society to think that what we are living right now is NOT the " real life ". We were all told that the " real " life would come in the " paradise " and that this life is just " temporary ". So it causes many JW's to minimize business ventures, getting a college education, AND it affects relationships even with family because we are told , " Oh well, they'll come back to us in the resurrection " . But what if that too was a lie or misinterpretation from the WT Society ? THEN - A person experiences all the crashing emotions you felt at the graveyard - coming to a realization that our CURRENT life IS important because this may indeed BE all we've got !

So personally I have determined to live my life in a good way, loving family, friends, playing guitar, writing songs , pursuing my self employed business and cherishing each and every day in our life because we never know when it might be taken from us. I just want you to know that I care, we all care here on the board as we have been there, experienced these feelings also. Welcome to freedom of mind and please know that we are here as a support to you if you'd ever like to talk. Hang in there and a big welcome to you

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David Bowie

by smiddy in

i just heard the news david bowie has died ,so sad .

rip d,b, .

smiddy .

flipper

DAGNEY- Indeed Days is a really good, touching ballad for sure. Nice tune, nice lyrics. Glad to hear you've been getting your Bowie on- me too- been listening to his songs all week on the way to work. What a loss. A real talent he was for sure. I really enjoy the jazz inflected tune " Bring Me the Disco King " on the Reality album. His voice is really great on that song especially . His voice is good anyway- but especially on that song on that album.

TALESIN- Thanks so much for posting the " New Killer Star " youtube of Bowie- love that song ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Who is your favourite thinker?

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

having recently read orwells 1984, i was impressed with how he understood that both politicians and people abuse language.

this further confirmed to me how the w.t had deceived me by using words to distort reality.

the book 1984, also contains many other great thoughts of george orwell.. of course there have been many other great thinkers, buddah, darwin, freud, einstein and marx come to mind.

flipper

Me, I like how I think. Not being arrogant here- just honest. I'm influenced by lots of smart people on this board and a lot of smart interesting people whose books I've enjoyed learning from. Or opinions I have learned from in life from many different people and I put together what many of these people know and either incorporate some of those views that seem reasonable into how I roll - or dismiss those views if they seem unreasonable. I look forward to continue learning the rest of my life until I die. I embrace making mistakes in life and learning from those mistakes as well . Another reason that I like how I think. Smart enough to know that I DO NOT know everything- yet modest enough to admit it. Peace out ( O.K. you can start slinging your arrows if you'd like - I have broad shoulders too ! LOL )

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Canada - Abuse allegations in Newfoundland casting a cloud over Jehovah's Witnesses

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/abuse-allegations-jehovahs-witness-1.3401468.

abuse allegations in newfoundland casting a cloud over jehovah's witnessesallegations of abuse involving two members of the jehovah's witness religious movement in newfoundland have emerged, though details of the charges are protected by a court-ordered publication ban.

cbc news has learned that a former volunteer church elder and his son are facing charges.the former elder is charged with sexual assault and sexual exploitation relating to allegations dating from 2009 to 2012 in central newfoundland.according to court documents, a second man is charged with sexual assault, with the information referencing a period between may 2011 and december 2013 in a community on the avalon peninsula.cbc news has confirmed that the pair are father and son.a sexual exploitation charge involves anyone in a position of trust or authority who commits an offence against a young person.the matter involving the older accused was called at a provincial court on wednesday.it was set over until next month, when a date is expected to be set for trial.the younger accused is scheduled to make a court appearance later this month.. read full article at link.. *note the very last sentence in the article.

flipper

ORPHAN CROW- Thanks for posting this article link of yet more JW child abuse incidents in Newfoundland . The nerve of the child abuse victims JW father to state in a '"forgiving " tone , " Things happen. We're all human. No matter what religion you're of, things can happen. " I wish somebody would stick some Voodoo pins in this idiotic JW father's brain and put a curse on him. Wait a minute- he already has Voodoo WT pins sticking in his brain - one thing that makes him make brain dead , making insensitive comments concerning his JW daughters rape. Normal "humans " don't rape children. OMFG ! Where do these people COME from ?

Then a quote from the news report itself ! This - " They ( Jehovah's Witnesses ) also follow strict rules that prohibit, among other things, sex outside of marriage...... " Uh-huh , yeah, right. Unless of course it's an adult having sex with a minor child that they aren't married to - that somehow gets hushed-hushed being " handled " very quietly in back rooms of kingdom halls.

And then the stupid elder who gives the same old excuses and rhetoric we hear time after time saying - " We do abhor this kind of wickedness, blah, blah, blah, ........ we do our best to protect our children, blah, blah, blah.......... " Fucking idiot. The freaking realize that you have HAD these elders and child molesters INSIDE your congreagtions for YEARS ! Take STRONGER measures to protect children ! These aren't people who " sneak into " congregations in a secretive fashion- these pedophiles have been and ARE among you for years ! And many times you know it and WT leaders know it and won't do a damned thing about it ! Nobody to blame but WT Society leaders and their policies and individual elders who won't be real humans and stand up for children being sacrificed and sexually abused ! O.K. I'm done. Need my blood pressure pill now

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David Bowie

by smiddy in

i just heard the news david bowie has died ,so sad .

rip d,b, .

smiddy .

flipper

DIOGENESISTER- I hear you my friend, his death shocked the hell out of me as well. Didn't even know he had cancer ! I shed a few tears as well I empathize with you.

SPECTRE- Really good to hear the new album is great ! I'll have to check it out. Been listening to " Reality " CD the last two days- plus his greatest hits album. I've played " This is Not America over and over again myself. I'm glad to hear I'm not the only person who plays songs over and over Spectre. LOL. We must be from the same mold. LOL. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

P.S. In answer to your question have I heard the extended " Rebel, Rebel " - no I don't think so, I'll have to listen to it . Thanks for the heads up.

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