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  According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

  2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

  these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

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  VIDIOT- Good point. I totally agree. " Child abuse is a crime first and foremost. It is sexual violence. " Correct, end of statement with an explanation point ! There should be no debating among JW elders or WT Society officials on how to handle it ! Repentance has NOTHING to do with how child molesters should be handled. It's a criminal offense it should be reported to the police first- not WT legal
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  Separated for over a month...

  by cognac in

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  it hasn't been easy at all... trying to care for two kids- ages 3 & 6, while working fulltime, barely any support from immediate family, my ex has only seen the kids twice for a few hours, ughhhh.... i make way to much money to qualify for any sort of help, ex barely makes anything so that's out.... this is a million times harder than i could have even imagined... but, we are managing somehow; abeit, a little creatively at times.... i had just started thinking to myself, "we can do this!

  " then, my house got robbed, about 10k worth of stuff stolen... ughhhh..... this is so depressing....

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  COGNAC- I'm so sorry that you're going through these hardships. Having been divorced myself once when I had children, I know it's not easy. Especially when your children are as young as yours are - mine were teenagers when I divorced . I wish your parents or your sister would help more in caring for your children. I mean- isn't that what family is for ? But it's tough when most of our family are JW's. They just don't understand- all they know is how to do is to make US feel guilty . Instead of giving unconditional support without judgment.

  I'm sad to hear that you got robbed. Oh my god, I cannot even imagine the stress you are under. Please know and realize that my wife and I are here if you ever want to chat, O.K. ? There are no easy solutions but we send out supportive thoughts to you today and please know that we are thinking of you and your children. Keep your chin up, hang in there sis
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  According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

  2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

  these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

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  Pg. 5 responses thanks for your replies.

  UMBERTOECHO- It is amazing isn't it how even victims of child abuse themselves who are JW's can excuse the criminality inside the JW organization with what's happened to them ? It's like the Stockholm Syndrome taking over and they excuse their captors for allowing them to be molested. Really strange. Very sad. Thanks for sharing that conversation.

  LISA ROSE- Exactly. To appoint ANY child molester to be an elder is so irresponsible and criminal it's just insane. The WT Society's lack of ethics and morals is so criminal it goes without saying.

  4THGEN- Very true what you say about the George Orwell quote. " The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. " Very true. It's one reason that we " apostates " are hated by the WT leaders and Jehovah's Witnesses because we DO SPEAK the " truth about the alleged " truth "
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  According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

  2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

  these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

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  JANUSFULCRUM- Thanks for your comment. I don't understand what " M. " means, but thanks.

  4THGEN- I agree with you . It's what the WT Society DOES that shows their criminality not what they SAY. Talk is cheap as the expression goes- actions speak louder than words.

  UNBERTOECHO- I feel your sadness for the children myself as well. How many more JW children will be abused until the WT leaders have to really answer for their crimes ? Peace out, MR. Flipper
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  You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

  he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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  Holy s***.

  My first thought is: fisherman - snap the hell out of it already.

  It's important to remember what strong forces denial and cognitive dissonance are and this guy is a great example to observe.

  I was never a witness but have followed this board for 8 years because of the bizarre and mean spirited behavior of the witnesses in Flipper's family.

  I have made so many great friends here and heard all their stories - here in writing and many in person or phone call.

  Fisherman - it is something to see just how many similar stories there are from people who live far apart, don't know each other, and whose only thing in common is the jw religion.

  This young guy's story doesn't surprise me at all. It's like the closer they get to the top of the organization the worse their behavior - like a pack of hyenas, I swear....

  Life Is To Short is one of my closest friends. She is one of the most kind, generous and honest people I know. After what she has been through since birth at the hands of Jehovah's Witnesses in "good standing" it's amazing she has her wits about her and is a high functioning hard working person. And never lost her sense of humor to boot.

  She was treated particularly bad for trying to care for and help older or distraught congregation members. It's as if the saying "no good deed goes unpunished" was originally made for the jws.

  I spoke to a psychotherapist friend about that - he said people like that will hate you because they know they will never have as much heart as you.

  I've seen people treat others that way here occasionally. It's a shame.

  This thread really hits home. Thanks, cha ching for posting.

  Mrs. Flipper
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  According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

  2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

  these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

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  UMBERTOECHO- I'm so sorry you had that creepy experience with that man in your congregation. Really strange. I hope you have recovered somewhat. I agree with you that normal Western Society treats child abuse in the real world as the crime that it is. Sadly- most religions, including Jehovah's Witnesses , treats child abuse like it's a sin and not a crime- minimizing the danger of it. I agree we HAVE to get the word out how dangerous it really is.

  SOFIA LOSE- I agree. We NEED to keep this child abuse negligence of the WT Society out in public first and foremost. Very important
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  WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

  at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

  they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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  FINKELSTEIN- Yeah, I think it's a decoy the WT Society is trying to use portraying a monster as a child molester instead of a real human being. That way it's less incriminating towards individual members of Jehovah's Witnesses who actually ARE child molesters. Pretty tricky.

  VIDIOT- Exactly WT Society makes their own version of reality. It's ridiculous
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  You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

  by cha ching in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

  he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

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  CLEANIDEAS- Wow, just holy fuc%ing wow. Being born and raised in this cult exiting 12 years ago at age 44 - I thought I had seen it all, experienced it all- but I come on this thread and I'm STILL being shocked by the insensitive,, inhumane behavior of the WT Society and it's representatives. So you are seriously saying that you as a volunteer worker had a bad cold at Bethel and even though you didn't have 25 cents for the 2 cold pills they REFUSED to give it to you ? Jesus freaking Christ ! Why didn't the assholes just give you a quarter to pay for your pills ? Unfreaking believable !

  This man's you tube sounds EXTREMELY credible, and what's more this story can be repeated thousands of times inside this mind numbing organization. I feel so sorry for this young man in the you tube and I hope he has a good support system to help him carry on in his life. I know for a fact that the main reason I left this organization was due to being treated unjustly, unfairly, and not being shown love. It's a criminal organization. It opened my eyes- I'm sure it's done the same for this young man. Hope he has a much more successful life in the future
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  According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

  2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

  these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

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  flipper

  VIDIOT_ Exactly, I agree. It shows just HOW screwed up WT leaders are that they'd appoint even former child molesters as elders at all. It's a truly criminal and messed up organization indeed
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  WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

  at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

  they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

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  Was out of town as some of you know for a few days- wanted to respond to folks who posted on this thread. Thanks for your replies.

  REBEL 8- Exactly. To make this child molester in the video appear as a " blob " or " monster " totally misdirects the direction on where child abuse REALLY comes from ! Not " blobs " or " monsters " but REAL human beings with ties and shirts on in the kingdom hall ! But maybe, just maybe THAT is what the WT leaders are trying to do here - not bring ANY attention about child abuse as coming from inside the congregation by using a fictitious monster instead of real humans. I think that is part of it by WT design. A decoy.

  LISA ROSE- You make a very good point about JW's being in a state of denial regarding child abuse. They don't want to acknowledge that it might be happening from their own " friends " or family- so they choose to either ignore or dismiss minor children's accusations. It's really cowardly of them to do so I feel. Very much so. Support criminals instead of victims ? Incredibly weird.

  OZGIRL- GB is definitely out of touch with reality. How can toddlers even DEVELOP a conscience like a teenager ? It's ridiculous how the WT Society is so out of touch with real child psychology. Good point about how the WT Society SHOULD make a video about reporting child abuse to police. Exactly. But with the WT leaders financial interests at stake- I doubt such a video would be made.

  SOWHATNOW- Yeah, I mean a drama on child abuse would have to be done with respect for sure in addressing the subject. It doesn't have to be explicit, but just get the message across that this is what REAL humans do who are criminals not what fictitious BLOBS or fictitious MONSTERS do. Touching of course wouldn't have to be shown- but the inference of what's going on indicating the seriousness of the child abuse crime direction the scene would be heading to. And then have the actors in the drama report the abuse to police. This would have a much more powerful effect than blobs running around. In my opinion