Posts by flipper

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“We are not done yet!” – Candace Conti reacts to appeal court decision

by Watchtower-Free in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-are-not-done-yet-candace-reacts-to-appeal-court-decision.

candace conti (pictured in her interview with abc) has spoken out for the first time about the appeal court decision.

as current and former jehovahs witnesses digest the news that watchtowers appeal against the candace conti verdict has faltered, albeit with the punitive element of the judgment reversed, candace has reacted for the first time by telling me: we are not done yet.. news spread on monday that the state appeals court in san francisco had upheld the $2.8 million compensatory damages in the original june 2012 verdict, but overturned the $8.6 million punitive award against watchtower.. the court decided that, though watchtower had neglected its responsibility to supervise known pedophile jonathan kendrick in field ministry, a church-sponsored activity, the organization had no duty to warn parents in the congregation that a pedophile was in their midst or report him to authorities.. an insightful report by investigative reporter trey bundy has suggested that the court reached its decision because the precedent set by the conti verdict might be too burdensome to enforce.. the burden would be considerable because the precedent could require a church to intervene whenever it has reason to believe that a congregation member is capable of doing harm, and the scope of that duty could not be limited with any precision, the judges wrote.. candaces attorney rick simons responded by pointedly telling bundy: they think in public policy terms that theres too much risk in broadening the churchs responsibility and liability so that it burdens what churches do.

flipper

Candace Conti is to be admired for her bravery, tenacity, and willingness to take the WT Society to task for it's abhorrent child abuse policies.

Let's not forget this fact folks- the WT Society WAS found liable and irresponsible in regards to Kendrick being allowed to even work in field service with Candace Conti as the elders were irresponsible as well. I don't see that irresponsibility changing much in the future. Think about it. How many cases have we heard about right here on JWN with people's experiences of pedophiles and child molesters MOVING to other congregations and one body of elders fails to inform another body of elders about it ? Or just the nature of child molesters to hide in the shadows so as NOT to be exposed- makes it almost guaranteed that the WT Society will be unable to keep up with the whereabouts of most of these JW pedophiles in their midst. Which is a bad thing for children or potential victims - but a good thing for certain that more and more child abuse lawsuits will come down the pike against the WT Society.

Here's the deal. Candace Conti's victory WAS a victory. Although she didn't win as much - she still got the WT child abuse issue media coverage all over the world , made it public that WT Society IS irresponsible in many ways still - in spite of the appellate court judges ruling. What Candace HAS accomplished is being seen by thousands of people across the planet on you tube videos and that will not stop. Most people on the planet are going to see and hear THAT information- not dwell on an appellate court judge who made a ruling out of fear of reprisal due to the big religious cow sitting on him in society. And most people will judge WT Society as guilty for allowing these child abuse issues to escalate to this criminal level. Kind of how I see it in the bigger picture

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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case

by flipper in

as many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.

i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.

dated 1/16/98 it opens : .

flipper

Been working out of town a few days thought I'd bump this up. Thanks for your replies.

VIDIOT- I agree with you. I think the WT leaders don't believe that the child abuse problem is that big of a deal. Their responses in court and out of court prove that. Whether it's in the media or just ignoring courts demands for information ( for which they lost a court case Lopez in San Diego ) they have shown their arrogance and pompous attitude.

SIR 82- I hope that a lot more child abuse lawsuits GET the WT leaders attention.

FINKELSTEIN- I agree with you that the only way WT Society leaders are going to change their policies - is if they are forced by the laws of the land to do so. I think WT Society is hiding something even bigger going on with child abuse. Could be child slavery, selling children for prostitution, pedophile rings, something. There has to be bigger reasons WT Society refused to disclose all of their files concerning child abuse - even to the point of paying out 13.5 million to Lopez in order to keep that information secret. Think about it. WHAT information is worth 13.5 million $$$ to keep secret ? Criminal information indicting the WT Society - THAT'S what kind of information I'm talking about. They are hiding something they don't want authorities to know about

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How to be happy flopping whoppers part time while pioneering!

by life is to short in

i was just thinking the other day why is there not service meeting part like my title says.

i mean that would really be helpful to those who totally believe the no collage thing.

since they do not want anyone to have any education why don't they at the very least try to help them to be happy living a life of poverty with service meetings parts, since everyone would be in poverty if they really listened to the fds.. like a part on how not to be upset when anther brother buys a new car parks it two blocks from the hall so as not to get door dings in it and rides all day in your car and does not give you a dime for gas.

flipper

Interesting thread Life Is Too Short. I too worked part time in the early 1980's to late 1980's in my own self employed business in order to pioneer for 3 years in the early 1980's. As a young man in his 20's I bought into the GB 's BS line - hook, line, and sinker. ( So don't feel bad Xanthippe - you weren't the only one that bought into the false promises of the WT Society ) .

However by 1989 when I turned 30 years old I started questioning the " generation " theory in my own private thoughts without sharing it out loud to my then JW wife as I feared she would rat me out to elders and I'd lose all my family at that time. My children were still very young at that time. I felt 75 years had passed since 1914 and nothing had happened. No " Armageddon," no " Great tribulation ", no nothing. I had been told I'd never have children in " this system " but here I was a 30 year old dad with 3 young children in " this system " working my ass off to pay bills while my then JW wife still pioneered and spent $ 25,000 racking up credit card debt ( for which in 1998 I had to file bankruptcy on when we divorced that year ) .

By 1989 I had stopped " reaching out " for any " positions " and was just in spiritual " cruise control " waiting to see what, if anything, would happen. And that's how I basically played it until I finally exited the Witnesses in 2003. Was briefly DFed in 1998 to 2002 but only came back to the organization due to being SCARED back by the 2001 9-11 attacks. Kicked in my cult mindset thinking " Armageddon " was happening.

Been out since 2003 and I've never been happier. Freedom of mind is a precious thing to possess ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Have anyone here ever told a elder he is full of poop.

by James Mixon in

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i wonder what the report to the branch would say.. he said " me, you and the wt organization is full of poop".. do we df him?

?.

flipper

Years ago I told the elders to " get off my doorstep and leave you assholes " when they came to my house from an hour and a half away to tell me I was getting DFed with no evidence against me for not attending their JC meeting against me. I appealed and threatened a lawsuit- and my DFing was overturned. It might be the only time in WT history that a person who called the elders " assholes " had his DFing overturned. Pretty strange- and kind of hilarious actually

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“We are not done yet!” – Candace Conti reacts to appeal court decision

by Watchtower-Free in

http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/we-are-not-done-yet-candace-reacts-to-appeal-court-decision.

candace conti (pictured in her interview with abc) has spoken out for the first time about the appeal court decision.

as current and former jehovahs witnesses digest the news that watchtowers appeal against the candace conti verdict has faltered, albeit with the punitive element of the judgment reversed, candace has reacted for the first time by telling me: we are not done yet.. news spread on monday that the state appeals court in san francisco had upheld the $2.8 million compensatory damages in the original june 2012 verdict, but overturned the $8.6 million punitive award against watchtower.. the court decided that, though watchtower had neglected its responsibility to supervise known pedophile jonathan kendrick in field ministry, a church-sponsored activity, the organization had no duty to warn parents in the congregation that a pedophile was in their midst or report him to authorities.. an insightful report by investigative reporter trey bundy has suggested that the court reached its decision because the precedent set by the conti verdict might be too burdensome to enforce.. the burden would be considerable because the precedent could require a church to intervene whenever it has reason to believe that a congregation member is capable of doing harm, and the scope of that duty could not be limited with any precision, the judges wrote.. candaces attorney rick simons responded by pointedly telling bundy: they think in public policy terms that theres too much risk in broadening the churchs responsibility and liability so that it burdens what churches do.

flipper

What the hell could be worse "adverse social consequences" than children being molested? Agh....

Mrs. Flip

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Article: Reveal News-California court guts child abuse ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses

by AndersonsInfo in

http://www.revealnews.org/article/california-court-guts-child-abuse-ruling-against-jehovahs-witnesses/.

california court guts child abuse ruling against jehovahs witnesses.

topics: religion / religion and government .

flipper

The judge was paid off pure and simple by the WT Society to minimize the judgment against the WT Society. It's certainly not a JUST settlement by any stretch of the word. My take is the judge got threatened by WT Society thugs- then paid off

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Court Partially Reverses Judgment in Church Molestation Suit

by defender of truth in

court partially reverses judgment in church molestation suit.

panel says jehovahs witnesses had no duty to warn congregants, but should have kept known molester away from children.

by kenneth ofgang, staff writer.

flipper

I agree with DATA DOG. I disagree with the ethics of this judge as well. I think he HAS no ethics . The quote, " better left to the individual clergyman involved and the discipline of the religious body of which he is a member " ? WTF ? Uh-huh. What if the " clergymen " involved are all freaking child molesters as well as the " religious body " involved ?

To me- it's pretty obvious. This Justice Peter Siggins was either threatened by the WT Society or paid big, big $$$$$$ from the WT Society under the table to minimize how much the WT Society had to pay out. Pretty obvious. Because his ruling is totally unjust. I mean - come on- this comment by Siggins " the courts should likewise be wary to intrude in this realm " ( religious organizations ) . Yeah, especially if the appellate court judge possibly got threatened by WT Society strong armed thugs. This is NOT without precedent.

During the Menlo Park fiasco the elders involved in exposing the WT Society had one of their adult children run off the road by WT secret spies and almost got killed in a car wreck purposely caused by WT undercover spies in order to strong arm these elders into silence.

Nothing the WT Society does anymore surprises me. It's a much more subversive , criminal and powerful organization than most people here or elsewhere realize. Until the federal government steps in and stops treating strong armed cults like Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses with kid gloves- this kind of a travesty of justice will continue to prevail. I'm glad Candace got some judgment and justice out of it - it sets a precedent- but it doesn't hold the WT Society responsible ENOUGH for their actions and disrespect to innocent children's welfare.

When we live in a society that treats many religions like " sacred cows " and are intimidated by bringing the laws of the land against evildoers within these religions - true justice is dead. Religion is the bane of all mankind and is it any wonder that John Lennon sang of a utopian world where there would be " no religion too " ? Too much superstition, crimes and wars are fomented and put forth by allowing religion free roam in our society. We as individuals have to fight for our freedom to exist as religion and unjust judges are there to steal those freedoms to exist safely

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Candace Conti - Consequence for Elders

by The Searcher in

bodies of elders around the world will soon (tm) receive a nicely worded letter from the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, telling them that local elders are now responsible for ensuring that no perverts are allowed to be alone with any children on any kind of witness business, otherwise, the boe will be accountable to the courts - not the org!.

however, if the elders are aware that bro.

& sister oblivious sometimes ask bro.

flipper

TOESUP- Me and my mom went through the same thing you did as a kid waiting past 11:00 P.M. after meetings for my dad to get out of elders meetings. One time when I was about 8 years old- I got so tired of trying to stay awake that I fell asleep on the Kingdom hall steps going up to the stage. My mom had been waiting in the car - and not until my dad drove home with my mom did they realize that they had locked the kingdom hall and left me sleeping alone on the steps inside the Kingdom hall- they forgot to load me into the car !

So they went back to the Kingdom hall and picked me up and found me still asleep on the stage steps ! Thank god I didn't wake up or I would have felt I was dead in hell - or something in the dark. Shows you how much my elder dad had on his mind when he didn't even realize his own son was missing on the way home from a meeting ! LOL. Fortunately I've recovered in my adult life

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A monster in our midst......

by WingCommander in

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i am pretty stunned as i write this post.

i guess i shouldn't be after reading years and years of similar incidents on these forums, but here i am nonetheless.

he was convicted in 2001 of possessing child pornography and sentenced to 1 to 2 years in prison.. .

flipper

WING COMMANDER- Pretty disgusting behavior indeed. I know how you feel. I know it's shocking when it hits close to where our hometowns are - but I had the same experience as you when I first started googling registered sex offenders that were in my hometown back in 2007 when I first caught wind of the WT child abuse problem.

What I discovered astounded me- out of about 1,000 registered sex offenders in my hometown where I was raised in California were the names of 12 JW's or former JW's I had known and talked to in my first 25 years in the JW cult there. Some had been elders, some had been elders sons, one of them as a matter of fact not only molested his own sisters children- he had sex with his own sister- the MOTHER of the children he molested ! Doesn't get much creepier than that. Pretty sick.

It just goes to show that as JW's we REALLY did NOT know what went on behind closed doors. And to discover this $hit sometimes makes us wish we didn't know. Utterly disgusting. And something needs to be done about it. One reason we need to be exposing these abuses that keep happening within the WT and JW organization

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Kendrick " Letter of Introduction " from Elders regarding Candace Conti Case

by flipper in

as many of us saw in the pbs news hour program and the abc news nightline program the elders from one congregation failed to communicate properly to the elders in another congregation concerning the child molester jonathan kendrick when he moved to a new congregation.

i have parts of this " introduction letter " from the fremont congregation to the oakley congregation elders so you can read it for yourself and decide how irresponsible these wt appointed elders were.

dated 1/16/98 it opens : .

flipper

VIDIOT- Very good points you make about WT liability and how they would rather " chew off their right arm " than to admit that what they've done is wrong. WT Society and WT leaders have ALWAYS been that arrogant and haughty. There was definite liability involved in the Kendrick case - one reason Candace Conti won her case regarding negligence on WT Society's part- but WT leaders will NEVER admit fault. Too prideful.

FINKELSTEIN- Kendrick didn't get charged yet or attacking Candace Conti because he has continually denied the charges. Watch him in the you tube towards the end of the ABC News Nightline video clip and he gets VERY aggressive in his denial towards the ABC news reporter actually him and his wife were REALLY aggressive towards the reporter. It smacks of guilt written all over him. Why else would he get that upset ?

I know there have been Catholic priests charged with a hell of a lot less evidence- I do hope that Kendrick WILL be put away and locked up for what he's done to Candace - I hope that ship hasn't sailed. I hope the police in the area will revisit this case. I mean- if Candace has already won the lawsuit you would think they'd reopen the case against Kendrick, right ? Makes one wonder