IHUNT- Welcome to the board my friend. We are all survivors here from having been in a high control organization. Look forward to knowing you and giving you support ! Take care
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Hello All!
by ihunt ini figure it's about time that i stop silently lurking around this community and actually add to the conversation, so here goes a first post.
a little about me-i was born "half-in", that is, my mother has been a witness for the entirety of my life whereas my father has never been.
i was an active part of the congregation (at least for what an unbaptized publisher can do) until i turned 18 and got an opportunity to attend a university (go school!).
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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse
by flipper inso i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
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OUTLAW- Pretty funny stuff. I like that song " Horse with No Name ". LOL.
LOVUNIHATEXAMS- Thanks, yeah I agree I shouldn't have torn up their literature but I was trying to show them if they de-valued my information then I didn't value theirs either. Next time I probably won't tear it up. If I talk to some different people I'll just hand it back to them. Peace out, mr. Flipper
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jwtalk...wow. just...wow.
by HeyThere inso i was lurking on jwtalk after trying to read the thread on there about the broadcast about the conti case...and holy moly there are some bat ish crazy talk on that site!
they also blocked the thread about the broadcast, lol!
they are scuuuuured (scared).
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Wow, I just looked at the link to try to get on that board to give these JW's access to information- it's like trying to get into Fort Knox- can't be done unless you give Song # such and such from such and such meeting and a bunch of other stuff only J-dubs would know. Talk about " closed society ". Wow -
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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders
by flipper inthese excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.
and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.
one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.
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ZEB- I agree with you. It certainly DOES appear that even back in 1989 the WT leaders were expecting a tidal wave of child abuse lawsuits due to their irresponsible child abuse policies. And what's weird is all they would have had to do is just advocate for the children instead of protecting pedophiles, go straight to the police, make stricter rules in the organization against child molesters, but as you say the immortal dollar, money was more important. I don't know about the underground bunker thing- but I agree the WT Society will throw the rank & file JW's under the bus if these child abuse cases break the WT Society financially. I think they have billions $$$ still available to them. They're gonna need it -
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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders
by flipper inthese excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.
and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.
one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.
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Thanks for the replies. Much appreciated !
FREEMINDFADE- You make a good point. Isn't it amazing that someone who would suffer being abused sexually while a minor child - could be looked at with scorn from members of the congregation for suing the WT Society for damages -especially when WT Society is liable. So yeah- the child molesters themselves would be looked upon as more acceptable to WT leaders than a publisher who sued the WT Society. That is pretty twisted.
SPARROWDOWN- Exactly. The religion is a farce indeed. WT leaders play the blame game all the time never taking responsibility for anything. Child abuse victims blamed, elders blamed - as you mention everybody is coerced with the thought , " anyone not for us , is against us. "
GONE FOR GOOD- Very well put. WT Society can't stand the fact that they are losing these lawsuits and paying out millions $$ on child abuse lawsuits. Authorities ARE a " complication " to the WT leaders when they are trying to hide criminal conduct. And they have a lot to hide pretty obviously
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Why do people "come back"?
by kairos ini know of several examples of ones that "left the truth" for up to 20 years, only to suffer through the reinstatement process and feel like they are finally back on track.. how does this happen?.
i personally know of one example where a father of three, leaves jws, abandons wife and family, lives as a gay man then comes back 20 years later as a partaking member of the anointed..
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UCANTNOME- You have to do what's best for your personal situation. I respect that. I just know that personally I would never return to a criminal organization like the Jehovah's Witnesses. I cannot support the WT Society's tolerance of child abusers within their midst. You may be able to compartmentalize that criminal tolerance and be alright with it- I cannot. To each his own, good luck to you -
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Me, myself, and I - the unholy Trinity called Mr. Flipper -
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Steve Hassan to release UPDATED version of "Combating cult mind control" Book
by Watchtower-Free inidentifies jehovah's witnesseshttp://jehovahswitnessreport.com/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-identified-as-cult-in-new-book-combating-cult-mind-control.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0967068827.
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Good. I'm glad to hear this. It might get more people to read this book. Hopefully -
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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse
by flipper inso i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.
this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.
so today the gloves came off.
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VIDIOT- Indeed information access is everything. I agree -
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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders
by flipper inthese excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.
and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.
one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.
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flipper
These excerpts I'm sharing with you are from the July 1st, 1989 letter from the WT Society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the WT Society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders. And it shows WT Society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits. One short quote was used from this letter on the ABC News Nightline report about Candace Conti - but what I'm going to share with you will be OTHER excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.
On pg. 2 of this letter it starts out talking about threats of lawsuits in regards to child abuse it states, " In recent years , this matter has come to be a cause for increasing concern. The spirit of the world has sensitized people regarding their legal " rights " and the legal means by which they can exact punishment if such " rights " are violated. Hence a growing number of vindictive or disgruntled ones , as well as opposers , have initiated lawsuits to inflict financial penalties on the individual, the congregation, or the Society. Many of these lawsuits are the result of the misuse of the tongue. As elders , remember that ill-advised statements or actions on your part can sometimes be interpreted legally as violating others " rights ". "
It continues, " The legal consequences of a breach of confidentiality by elders can be substantial . If the elders fail to follow the Society's direction carefully in handling confidential matters, such mistakes could result in successful litigation by those offended. Substantial monetary damages could be assessed against the elders or the congregation . In some cases where the authorities are involved, certain complications could lead to a fine or imprisonment. These possibilities underscore the need for elders to be discerning and follow carefully directions provided by the Society. "
So- Basically the WT Society is claiming that people who are suing the WT Society are either "disgruntled " , " vindictive ", or " opposers " - making it seem that the VICTIMS who are suing the WT Society are in the wrong. Never will the WT Society admit fault, not even to the elders in confidential letters like this. So the elders are being controlled or manipulated by WT direction to see right out of the gate that if a victim of child molestation is pursuing a lawsuit- the VICTIM is the bad person - NOT the perpetrator. The term the victims " rights " has quotation marks around it indicating a sarcasm as if they are supposed rights, or imagined rights, not really " rights " at all in the WT Society's eyes.
And in the second paragraph it's basically a veiled threat from the WT Society to appointed elders that it's THEIR mouths breaking confidentiality or not keeping quiet about even possible illegal allegations that could get the authorities involved - resulting in fines, lawsuits, or imprisonment of WT officials or elders.
So- Bottom line is the WT leaders take NO RESPONSIBILITY for their OWN actions regarding lawless activity, whether it be child abuse or any other illegal activity. WT leaders have NEVER taken responsibility. It's always the child abuse victims " vindictiveness " or the elders " loose mouths " revealing confidential talk ( translation - exposing child abuse to authorities ) that can get the WT Society into hot water with the law authorities.
It's high time to get the word out that the WT Society plays the " blame ' game and is irresponsible in it's child abuse policies which destroy elders lives and child abuse victims lives. And the elders are just used as puppets to crush the child abuse victims rights and the WT Society comes out smelling like a rose because of using all of these people to cover up where the blame should really go- against WT Society leaders and policy makers.
Spread the word. As always I look forward to your views and comments. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper