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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

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  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  But I hope the increasing extremist hardline nature of the GB and its message will cause more to wake up and realize it is wrong.

  I see that as a possibility factfinder. The more the moderate elements resist, the harder the message to obey becomes, and the more likely that more people will wake up and realize something is wrong.

  Does anyone remember when JW's were encouraged to read the bible daily? It seems to me (and those in the know please correct me if I'm wrong) that the message now is simply obey the leadership. I realize that some will do exactly what they are told, no questions asked. These are the extremists. But I suspect others aren't buying it -- at least not all the way. Is there a way to foster and encourage the moderates? Not directly, that would be too dangerous, but indirectly. Perhaps people supporting each other instead of judging each other?

  I try to support the moderate JW's I have contact with. I try not to argue with them, and I resist the temptation to try to get them out because that can easily backfire. If at some point they get sick of the extremists and decide to leave, that's their choice. But while they're in I think they're a great asset to help and support other moderates in their congregations just by virtue of being there.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

  1. jw
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  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  Hermano

  Cults never collapse from the R&F upward, that's why it's a cult. The control mechanisms WT has in place will always trump dissent in spite of the constant internal "war" you speak of.

  but the 90% of hard core at any one time, will be there till death.

  You can't keep a good cult down.

  Interesting thought sizemik. I don't understand how a political regime that can physically threaten and kill people can be toppled, but a cult supposedly can't. These watchtower leaders must be a lot more capable than they are given credit for, or they have some supernatural entity on their side.

  I'm not sure I agree that 90% of them are hard core. I think that's what the regime WANTS them to think. The whole unity thing is propaganda. Read what hoser wrote. I think way more than 10% are of the conscious class or disagree with at least some of the regime rules. The problem is the propaganda makes them think they are the only ones and there's a problem with them. So how can we combat that propaganda?

  I understand it's not easy. I just can't understand why it's impossible. If it was impossible most of the world would still be bowing down before kings right now.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

  1. jw
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  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  Hermano

  And I know witnesses who are resisting in ways you have mentioned. It is very said to see families blacklisted (in the sense that privileges are witheld from them) because of going to university but it is truly wonderful when they finish their education. Young people are resisting getting baptized early and then not getting baptized at all.

  We don't clap when talks are disgraceful and believe me they often are. I also tell everyone who asks that I am enjoying my education.

  Excellent work soft+gentle. You are a silent but powerful testimony that resistance is possible. And if they withhold priviledges that's Ok. Leaders can only lead if there are followers.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

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  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  Hermano

  About the best you can hope for is wasting hounders' time and resources.

  Even that is a powerful way to resist. If 30% of the congregation engaged in tactics that would result in wasting "hounders'" time and resources that's a great way to wear them down. If an elder has to call 30 publishers 3 times before he can get a field service report from them that's 90 calls. If the elder tries to bring the hammer down on them they can just claim to be supper busy, stressed out, struggling due to Satan's super-demanding system, apologize, say they'll ask Jehovah to help them do better. They're not going to disfellowship for not turning in your time slip on time.

  Terry had a great post about how to deal with being confronted by the elders.
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  New Sparlock (TM) action figure collectibles? Ideas.

  by AnnOMaly in

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  sparlocktm can't be on his own.

  he needs some wizardy comrades, right?

  sherlock - the logical one with an inbuilt bs meter;.

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  LOL @ Timebandit. Stupid, but funny.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

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  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  Interesting opinion Dontplaceliterature. I'm not saying the regime would be open to it. I'm saying it can happen despite what they say. Just like there are JWs that still talk to their disfellowshipped loved ones, despite what the regime says. Just like there are JWs who go to college and send their kids to college, despite what the regime says. Just like there are JWs who have "wordly" friends, despite what the regime says. Just like there are JW's reading this "apostate" website, despite what the regime says.
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  BIRTHDAYS ARE IMPORTANT!!!

  by minimus in

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  and today's mine..

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  Hermano

  On behalf of Queenwitch
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  BIRTHDAYS ARE IMPORTANT!!!

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  and today's mine..

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  Hermano

  Happy Birthday!!!
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  Sapphy and hoser you guys have both arrived at the critical question of how? "The great problem is how do we all tell the truth without being put under sanctions by the watchtower?" It has to happen very slowly. I keep thinking back to the elder I mentioned previously. He never said anything that seemed subversive. He was always very peaceful, very loving. And yet somehow, there was an ease about him. A lack of judgement? Maybe he just seemed so meek that no one would consider him a threat...

  Maybe it has to start with your family. If you're in and fading instead of trying to get your family out, why not try to get them to be a bit more moderate instead?

  I think Cedars survey was a great idea because it was a way for Witnesses to know that others felt the way they did.
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  I wish there were more JW's resisting the extreme elements within the religion

  by Hermano in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wish there were more jw's resisting the extreme elements within the religion.

  i beleive there are many who know some of the things they hear and read are whack, but stay because they think it's still the group god has chosen.

  but there are ways to voice your opinion without being too vocal or disassociating:.

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  3. 
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  Hermano

  Yes Designs, there are traps. But all empires fall eventually. Sometimes the fall comes at the hands of an enemy. Sometime it comes from within, despite the checks and balances set forth by those in power. The GB is a regime. And regimes can be toppled. Yes, it's risky. Yes people die trying. But it happens.