LOLOLO! JWd, you need remember to "Keep your eyes on the things ABOVE- NOT on the things below!" Just focus on YOUR devotion to God & Christ- and don't let such things bother you!
Agape, Mad
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122new watchtower mag arrangement
by shadowofbathory inthe latest from brooklyn ( my mate in upper management ) i thought id share.. .
the watchtower is remaining bi monthly.
instead of both monthly offerings sharing same formats there is a change coming into action soon.
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If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?
by unbaptized inif jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
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Unbaptised wrote:"If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is? If the Jehovah's Witnesses aren't God's people then who is?Please let me know and I need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization. I need biblical facts that can be researched."
Mad writes: People choose religions & beliefs as one chooses which flavor of ice cream at the store; if it TASTES good, they buy it. Facts are rarely important to them- UNLESS the 'facts' support what they WANT to believe.
Fact: There really IS a God. (Elaborate design thruout the Universe)
Fact: His qualities can be seen thru the design.
Fact: The Bible has enough evidence to validate it comes from God.
Fact: The Bible identifies Him with the Name YHWH - Yahweh (Hebrew), Jehovah (English)
Fact: "God's People" are those honoring and devoted to God (Jehovah) - regardless of faults.
Christ is the one who will determine who are sincere...and who are actors!
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Anti wrote:"\The account shows that God CONTINUED to add to the animal kingdom after creating Adam,
NOT the ridiculous implication above.Genesis 2:19 (King James Version) 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Mad writes: Anti- if you take an HONEST look at Genesis, you will clearly see there is no attempt to state things chronologically EXCEPT the description of the Creative Days. What this verse SIMPLY tells us is that God created EVERY living animal, and later had Adam name them. If you don't want to believe the Bible- PLEASE don't let me stop you! Just ignore me- PLEASE!
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Spaznik wrote:"Mad: So, destroying people is "managing society"? I'm not sure that answers my question about all things being possible with God and yet he supposedly chooses mass slaughter over say mass correcting. How is that any different from how humans have been "running things"? Thanks for your reply."
Mad writes: I said that I didn't KNOW the answer to that, S! However, if ANYONE has a "right" to execute & judeg people as wicked- it's the One who made them!
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If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?
by unbaptized inif jehovah isn't the true god then who is?
if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.
please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.
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Nark wrote: "I'm afraid you missed my point. I used "demons," "exorcisms" and "Gehenna" as mere examples of notions/beliefs which seem to pop up from nowhere in the NT to a (especially Protestant) Bible-only reader. Actually they are perfectly at home in 1st-century AD Judaism, as can be seen from the wealth of Jewish literature from the 2nd century BC to the 1st century AD. In these respects the NT is not the least "original". It doesn't create those notions, it simply shares them with contemporary Judaism.
It is sheer anachronism to assume that the religion of Jesus or early Jewish-Christians can be simply inferred from OT religion. Within a few centuries Judaism had changed a lot. The Gospels depict Jesus as a 1st-century Jew (e.g. attending Hanukkah in John 10, reclining instead of standing for the Passover, etc.), not an OT Israelite, and unless they clearly show him at odds with contemporary tradition on a specific issue you have no basis whatsoever to conjecture he was. You do find controversies with "Pharisees/Jews" on the Sabbath and ceremonial cleanness but none on the divine name. This, combined with the stubborn absence of any mention of any form of Yhwh in early NT mss, is devastating to the WT reasoning.
Again, it takes complete ignorance of 1st-century and later Judaism to miscontrue mere mentions of the noun "name" (onoma, shem) as evidence of an actual use of the name "Yhwh". As I said, Hallowed be thy name is found in the Rabbinical Qaddish, and it is clearly compatible with the equally rabbinical prohibition to actually pronounce the name "Yhwh".
If you only tried to learn a little about 1st-century Judaism you would easily see that you are wrong not only on the above but on many other issues on which you take the JW summary of "Bible teaching" for granted (e.g. "astrology," re: the Magi, or the "immortal soul," or the actual meaning of "Gehenna"). The NT would immediately make better sense to you where you have to strive desperately to get around the obvious meaning (e.g. the rich man and Lazarus, what a f*cked-up illustration if the WT has it right!). But that would require researching instead of arguing for a little while."
Mad writes: If YOU want to trust 1st Century Judiasm- (or from any century)- to quote Asto (Jetsons/60s cartoon): Rots of Ruck!
(To answer your last question, I'm no fan of the NIV, and I do agree that the best translation policy is to use some transliteration of Yhwh where it belongs, i.e., in the OT passages where "Yhwh" actually occurs.)
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Anti wrote:"Something I think you will enjoy. "In the fundamentalist view, unbelievers have only two relevant attributes: They are potential converts and sources of temptation. As objects of evangelism, they are called 'crops to be harvested,' 'sheep to be found,' and 'fish to be netted.' Because of the danger of worldly influence (much like a contagious disease), relationships with 'them' must be handled gingerly. Contacts must be superficial, geared toward evangelism only, and cut short if there is not a positive response. Since Christians are already full of truth, there is no need for them to listen, nothing for them to learn, and much for them to lose by admitting alternative views into their consciousness." Marlene Winell, Leaving the Fold (Oakland, CA: New Harbinger, 1993), pp. 76-77. "
Mad writes: Nothing to enjoy, Anti- that is one Ugly Truth- in most cases! There DOES happen to be a True Christian that looks at them as they are: a fellow human to at least befriend, encourage & help- regardless as to weteher they have an interest in God or not. If not, however, please remember there will be few things in commom....
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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LtCmd wrote: "I have no problem with god killing wicked people. But what about the people that weren't wicked that died in the flood for example? Like the children... are you telling me that every single child, even the ones under age 10 was evil enough to die? (And the animals too I suppose, but I frankly don't care much about them.)
And, if they must die, then why be so violent about it? Surely an all powerfull god could find a much nicer way to kill people than with a flood. That would be a slow and terrifying death. (As mothers carried their little children up a steep mountain, trying to climb faster than the rising water, only to reach the top exhausted and realize that the water is still rising, the mother tries to swim, carrying her dying toddler through the water, only to drown after a long battle for their lives.)
If I had the power, and I HAD to kill people, it would be a quick and painless death. (Plus I'm sure Noah wouldn't have minded being saved the trouble of building an ark.)
LtCmd.Lore
Mad writes: That is one I can't answer- except that the account says the earth was FILLED with evil violence- and few realize that with the liefspan of that age- where many lived to 900+ years old- the population could have been as large as it is NOW! How many millions of babies, young boys & girls- many of them Nephilim- would Noah have had to care for....and look at how most children have the attitude & bend of their parents (barring getting into mischief)...
Ther are many things NOT answered in the Bible, it's the things it DOES answer that are signifigant, my friend!
Mad
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Spaz writes: "If all things are possible with God, then why does it HAVE to be that way? If his creation is so bad and God is capable of bringing people to things like perfection and immortality, then I don't understand why God can't/wouldn't just FIX the people he so detests, rather than DESTROYING them. If God is love, and everything the bible says about love, then wouldn't that be preferable?"
Mad writes: My illustrations are nowhere near as fitting as Christ's, S, so please humor me a little! A story from the old show "Leave It to Beaver" illustrates the point: Beaver was going to the prom for the 1st time. and his buddy says neither he nor the others boys are going to wear a tux. (Shows you how old the show is; it was in the days when kids were taught to look & act good!). His mom & dad get very upset with him- but can't get thru, so his dad gives him the OK, later driving him to the prom. Stepping into the auditorium, Beaver sees everyone wearing a tux- even his best friend, who gives him excuses why he ended up wearing one. Humiliated, Beaver slinks out, ending up in the parking lot- where he sees his dad smiling & leaning against the car. "Gee, you were RIGHT, dad- I should've listened to you." His dad says, "I'm glad to hear that son. Still want this?", sliding out a tux from the back seat. "And HOW, dad! Thank you SO much!", Beaver exclaimed, hugging his dad.
Sometimes, you HAVE to learn the hard way- and that is how mankind is learning! They are learning the folly of setting up their own way of ruling & living that is so selfish, so ignorant! When the Appointed Time comes, not one person in heaven or earth will be able to say God's rules were selfish, or that they could figure out how to manage society...
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Wow, Nvr!
That's terrible you went thru that, however, it sounds like you've teurned out stronger! Sounds to me He has a plan for you; it is rarely apparent right away! There have been times when it would SEEM He didn't answer my prayer...then slowly, but surely- everything started falling into place! But there are 3 areas I've been waiting YEARS for where I've received no PERCEPTABLE help, yet in view of all the MANY times He helped- several simply could NOT have been cooincidence of ANY kind- I will just wait to find out!
Do you REALLY think that when you & I die- that'll be the end of the story? You KNOW deep down inside that this Incredible Universe is no accident- no matter HOW much the authorities market it as "fact"! Don't you, Nrv?
Agape,
Mad
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If the bible is from God then explain this!
by Anti-Christ innu 31:17-18 moses, following the lord's command, orders the israelites to kill all the midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (note: how would it be determined which women had known men?
one can only speculate.
dt 21:10-13 with the lord's approval, the israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
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Supposed Bible 'Contradictions' were posted- here are the facts:
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
*********************************************************************************************************There are MANY sources of light other than our tiny sun! God used light from another source.
************************************************************************************************************GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
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The account shows the area where God created Eden was devoid of food- bearing plants
before the garden was formed. Not the ridiculous claim above.
************************************************************************GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
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The account shows that God CONTINUED to add to the animal kingdom after creating Adam,
NOT the ridiculous implication above.
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GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
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Chapter one merely gives an overview of the Creative Days, Chapter 2 later gives the details- NOT
the ridiculous implication above.
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GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from
his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fiercenessof his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
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God IS Love personified- but, as summed up in Psalm 97:10- He loves what is Good & Hates what is bad!
Especially when He sees the Wicked harming the innocent! His Anger is Righteous!
**********************************************************************************************************GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.
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Men are righteous sometimes- compared to others- but NEVER when compared with Jehovah!
**********************************************************************************************GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
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Lifespans were longer at that time.
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GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could
have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.
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The account shows Terah died at the age of 205!
*************************************************GE 19:30-38 While he is drunk, Lot's two daughters "lie with him," become pregnant, and give birth to his offspring.
2PE 2:7 Lot was "just" and "righteous."
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Getting drunk doesn't make you Evil- sometimes the best people have made that mistake.
His daughters got him drunk, and carried out their desire-not Lot.
*****************************************************************************************GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
JA 1:13 God tests (tempts) no one.
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Occaisionally God has tested his servants (He allowed His Son to be tested by Satan!).
James is showing that the suffering righteous ones were experiencing at that time didn't come from God,
and that the danger in temptation was one's own heart. And that He NEVER USES EVIL to test.
********************************************************************************************EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
DT 24:16, EZ 18:19-20 Children are not to suffer for their parent's sins.
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Children who carry on the sins of their fathers WILL, the innocent WON'T.
*************************************************************************EX 21:23-25, LE 24:20, DT 19:21 A life for a life, an eye for an eye, etc.
MT 5:38-44, LK 6:27-29 Turn the other cheek. Love your enemies.
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The Mosaic Law was a harsh law for a harsh people with many wicked tendencies
that came from the Egyptian culture, and even worse cultures around Egypt. Jesus brought a "New" law!
**********************************************************************************************************EX 34:6, DT 7:9-10, TS 1:2 God is faithful and truthful. He does not lie.
1KI 22:21-23 God condones a spirit of deception.
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Yes- He has allowed the wicked to be deceived: today HE allows the churches, doesn't He?
*****************************************************************************************LE 25:37, PS 15:1, 5 It is wrong to lend money at interest.
MT 25:27, LK 19:23-27 It is wrong to lend money without interest.
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Here is the cheapeast of deception with these so-called contradictions. Christ was using money-lending
ONLY as an illustration that the "Riches" Christians were given were not to be squandered- but "Invested"
to build up & encourage others!
*********************************************************************************************************NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
JB 2:7 Satan inflicts sickness.
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That's a contradiction? Only in this ridiculous charade of so-called contradictions; God certainly had the right
to punish the Israelites who had broken their own promise to stay away from Vile, Evil deeds. Satan had NO
such right- or motive!
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NU 33:38 Aaron died on Mt. Hor.
DT 10:6 Aaron died in Mosera.
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Mosera was at the foot of Mt. Hor. Whoever wrote this book was an Idiot!
************************************************************************DT 24:1-5 A man can divorce his wife simply because she displeases him and both he and his wife can remarry.
MK 10:2-12 Divorce is wrong, and to remarry is to commit adultery.
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Jesus stated that that was allowed in the Mosaic Law because of their hard-heartedness, but the new law of
love had to be followed now.
***********************************************************************************************************JG 4:21 Sisera was sleeping when Jael killed him.
JG 5:25-27 Sisera was standing.
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The King of Moab, Eglon was referred to at 4:21, not Sisera! What an idiot this writer was.
***************************************************************************************2SA 24:10-17 David sinned in taking the census.
1KI 15:5 David's only sin (ever) was in regard to another matter.
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Another deception: I Kings 15:5 stated that with one exception, David had done as God commanded.
The census was something David had come up with on his own, when he was starting to become arrogant.
It had nothing to do with any command from God.
***********************************************************************************************************MT 1:16 Jacob was Joseph's father.
LK 3:23 Heli was Joseph's father.
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This is the only one that appears a genuine contradiction- research shows that Joseph was Heli's son -in-LAW by
taking Mary as wife; geneology doesn't specifiy between literal sons and son-in-laws.
******************************************************************************************************************MT 2:13-16 Following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary flee to Egypt, (where they stay until after Herod's death) in order to avoid the
murder of their firstborn by Herod. Herod slaughters all male infants two years old and under. (Note: John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin, though
under two is somehow spared without fleeing to Egypt.)
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The firstborns were murdered only in the small region of Bethlehem. John and the Apostles grew up in other regions.
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LK 2:22-40 Following the birth of Jesus, Joseph and Mary remain in the area of Jerusalem for the Presentation (about forty days) and thenreturn to Nazareth without ever going to Egypt. There is no slaughter of the infants.
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The confusion here comes from the phony Church Dogma of Jesus being a newborn in a manger when the Wise Men/Astrologers are led
by the Star (from Satan).The account in Matthew has many details showing this was AFTER the account in Luke 2. Jesus is no longer
referred to as a babe- but as a young child. Herod has all the boys in that region from 2 years old to newborns, just in case. Jesus, Mary andtheir child are living in a house. And there's more, if you want to look into the historical details of the Roman Rulers mentioned.
The account in Luke is related what happened at his birth- BEFORE Herod, the astrologers, and the slaughter- and Egypt.
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onward. The very purpose of John's baptism was to reveal Jesus to Israel.
MT 11:2-3 After the Baptism, John sends his disciples to ask if Jesus is the Messiah.
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John needed reassurance; he was about to be beheaded. What a cheesy thing to imply!There may be contradictions SOMEWHERE in the Bible- but it sure ain't THESE!