I agree with your friend. It is a balance, even Jesus set the example with works and faith, like his followers!
Escargot
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My email discussions with a JW (part I)
by AjaxMan ini thought that i'd share with you, i welcome feedbacks from all of you on what do you think.
i will set other threads from my email discussions with that particular jdub.. i will show you the questions that i asked him and the response that he gave me:.
my question: he said that salvation comes from both grace and works.
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Do you still think like a witness.
by sleepy inone of my customers asked me today whether i celebrate christmas and birthdays almost automaticly i was about to say no.. then i realised i'm not a witness anymore.. i didn't really want to go into a conversaion so i just said those things didn't bother me.. so what things are here stuck in our minds like that ,that are hard to get rid of?.
do you sill have a feeling arrmagddon might come , even though you don't mentally bleive it ,does it still effect you?.
have you realised yet that you are not going to live forever and in fact you will die?.
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Mulan:
"As to Armageddon, I don't fear that, because I believe it happened in the first century, and the Bible is not prophesying about a future mass destruction. As another poster said, we all have to die one day."I would like to hear more about your viewpoint that Armageddon has already happened.
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Do you still think like a witness.
by sleepy inone of my customers asked me today whether i celebrate christmas and birthdays almost automaticly i was about to say no.. then i realised i'm not a witness anymore.. i didn't really want to go into a conversaion so i just said those things didn't bother me.. so what things are here stuck in our minds like that ,that are hard to get rid of?.
do you sill have a feeling arrmagddon might come , even though you don't mentally bleive it ,does it still effect you?.
have you realised yet that you are not going to live forever and in fact you will die?.
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Well, I know what you are talking about. Even though I have DA myself over a year ago, I “twitch” over birthdays and x-mass. Also, There are some friends inside who still contact me, asking that I come back, get the "mark" off me so they can freely see me, not “under cover of darkness.” This gets to me more and more.
It all tugs at me, I open Franz’ second book “In Search of Christian Freedom,” and re-read some points that remind me why I choose this path. Like one x-dub wrote, I still have JW withdrawals from time to time.
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Monkey trial
by moman init seems this whole debate, (creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate.
my sister iz a producer for pbs & haz a documentary coming up on the scopes or (monkey trial), & i think little haz changed.. i am non-religious, but i can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
i am not saying, i have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals!
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JanH:
Coming from you, I will wear your remarks as a badge of honor. Your debating tactics are very poor and forgiven. You remind me of many Elders I served with, very condescending and short of spirit. However, if you just come from apes like you and your friends say you do, you deserve a pass. Why act any different? No need for “moral worth” in life.
I too got sucked into name calling too. I regret it. Enlighten persons do not act that way. Instead of exploring all sides with an open mind, persons were ridiculed for exploring and considering all sides. I must offer apologies all around and hope the information I posted will be useful in the pursuit of truth.
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Monkey trial
by moman init seems this whole debate, (creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate.
my sister iz a producer for pbs & haz a documentary coming up on the scopes or (monkey trial), & i think little haz changed.. i am non-religious, but i can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
i am not saying, i have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals!
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The only thing you have shot is your foot! Your mis-quoting, dismissing your own people, shows your intent. I have given Names, dates and much more, and still you cannot admit there is other information to consider.
Last post.....
However, I will rethink your claim that you came from an Ape. You really got me thinking.
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Monkey trial
by moman init seems this whole debate, (creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate.
my sister iz a producer for pbs & haz a documentary coming up on the scopes or (monkey trial), & i think little haz changed.. i am non-religious, but i can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
i am not saying, i have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals!
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Your chart is fact, right? Love the question marks. All based on sound science, right?
What? You are not acquainted with the Savanna theory? Holy shit! No wonder we are having trouble connecting. You don’t know the main stream theory, Sorry, now I see why we are not connecting. Man, do some research! Don’t discredit your own people! Or, Do you believe in the new “pop Evolution” theories going around and around?
Straw man, yea, right........
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Monkey trial
by moman init seems this whole debate, (creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate.
my sister iz a producer for pbs & haz a documentary coming up on the scopes or (monkey trial), & i think little haz changed.. i am non-religious, but i can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
i am not saying, i have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals!
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JanH:
Throwbacks? Have you not been reading my posts?
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Monkey trial
by moman init seems this whole debate, (creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate.
my sister iz a producer for pbs & haz a documentary coming up on the scopes or (monkey trial), & i think little haz changed.. i am non-religious, but i can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
i am not saying, i have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals!
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“”“3) The second law of thermodynamics does not contradict evolution anymore than it contradicts the forming of snowflakes or the development of a fetus into a baby. It is true that on the whole thermodynamics means that at the end there will ultimately be entropy, but until then there are pockets of reduced entropy. This is caused by energy sources, such as the sun. If the earth was a closed system, then everything would wind down into complete entropy, but since the sun provides energy, the earth is a pocket of reduced entropy. They second law of thermodynamics has been refuted as an objection against evolution a long time ago. People who hold to this belief understand neither Evolution nor thermodynamics.”
Rubbish, your comparing snow to evolution is a red herring. A renowned Evolutionist, Buckminster Fuller, remarked “Evolution is an eddy in the second law of thermodynamics.” The fact remands that the complexity to man (the top) to the single cell (the bottom) should be reversed, in evolution.
Also, to not understand the connection regarding “common ancestor” shows your ignorance of the subject. I refer you to my last postfor the awnser.
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Monkey trial
by moman init seems this whole debate, (creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate.
my sister iz a producer for pbs & haz a documentary coming up on the scopes or (monkey trial), & i think little haz changed.. i am non-religious, but i can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
i am not saying, i have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals!
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Here is some info on your own "beliefs" that you say I don’t understand. Please note the connection of Apes to Neanderthals. Also, why the divergence of the lines if we come from the same source? Time to make up a new fact, right? DNA shows that there is NOT a line....be
What is currently the most accepted theory of human evolution?
Todayís most accepted theory is the "Savannah-based theory" first proposed by Raymond Dart in 1924. This theory proposes that hominids evolved as some apes moved from the shrinking lush forests onto the surrounding Savannah. As a result of these apes moving from the food rich environment of the forests to the drier environment of the Savannah certain adaptations (Neanderthals) evolved which were advantages to the new environment. Some of these adaptations include: bipedalism, lack of hair, and increased fat. Bipedalism would be advantages to these Savannah apes as they could uses there newly freed hands to gather food, which can be scarce, and carry it over long distances while looking for the next meal. Similarly increased fat also have aided these Savannah apes with food storage. The loss of hair was often described as advantages as it may help to cool the ape.
So what are the problems with the Savannah-based theory?
AAT proponents argue that if early hominids did evolve on the Savannah then there should be multiple examples of other Savannah animals which have evolved similar adaptations and characteristics of hominids. The problem is that there are not any such animals which display similar characteristics of hominids. A second problem AAT proponents point out is that the Savannah based theory fails to even attempt to explain many characteristics of humans and how those may have evolved on the Savannah
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Monkey trial
by moman init seems this whole debate, (creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate.
my sister iz a producer for pbs & haz a documentary coming up on the scopes or (monkey trial), & i think little haz changed.. i am non-religious, but i can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
i am not saying, i have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals!
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REM:
Why disstort? I never said "they are" N are apes. However, the information (dated 1995) shows both types in the same evo tree.
Notwithstanding, if you know your own “beliefs,” you would know that the “common ancestor” theory is contradicting to your evo beliefs. However, you are the silent one.
Also, all you have done is generalized and make many quick statements, however with no “meat.”
Answer:
1. What makes a fact? Tell us, just don’t sit there and name call. Is evo a fact, or, as you put it both fact and theory (what ever that means!)?
2. Explain why the “common ancestor” just can’t be right when talking evo?
3. What are your comments on the second law of TD? And its contradiction to EVO?
Please give us some substance. Your trying to just discredit without any substance is getting old, and an old trick at that.