Monkey trial

by moman 55 Replies latest jw friends

  • moman
    moman

    It seems this whole debate, (Creation v/s evolution) iz coming to the fore again, along with (religion v/s state) debate. My sister iz a producer for PBS & haz a documentary coming up on the Scopes or (monkey trial), & I think little haz changed.
    I am non-religious, but I can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters, although a few individuals on my wifes side make me wonder.
    I am not saying, I have the answers, but man iz just so radicaly different from animals! Of course, I'm not refering to the physical resemblance but the metaphysical. God may have used the same building-blocks in all life (DNA), but man, with hiz mental capacity iz just too differant!
    I'm not saying evolution iz unfactual, but like a previous poster stated, "you have to define the "evolution" you are talking about."
    When one considers the earth, & how it differs from the planets we have seen,well, I guess I know why all the astronauts are firm believers in a Grand Creator!

  • rem
    rem
    I can't help laughing when arguements are made claiming man & monkeys share common ansesters

    I can't help laughing at common misconceptions. I suppose you could say that we share a common ancestor with monkeys, but that's pretty far removed. We do share a common ancestor with the geat apes, such as Chimpanzees. I'm sure you understand the difference between an ape and a monkey. Maybe not.

    I'm not saying evolution iz unfactual
    So do you make it a habit to laugh at facts? There is no question that we share our ancestry with apes. Just because it doesn't make you feel good doesn't mean it isn't true.

    Regarding your comment about how the earth differs from other planets, perhaps you've never considered the weak anthropic principle?

    rem, who wonders if man's mental capacity really 'iz' much different than animals LOL

    "We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
  • ChimpGirl
    ChimpGirl

    I would just like to say that, as a Chimp, I find the whole suggestion that I am in any way related to the human deeply offensive. How many wars have chimps started? How much damage have we done to the ozone layer (apart through natural flatulence)? How much dodgy porn have we made? And wht about fashion faux pas? Chimps never wore shoulder pads or lycra leggings, except when forced to by humans for their 'entertainment'. We don't have religious conflicts. We don't need to wrap ourselves in garments to stay alive and it doesn't take us 18 years to grow up.

    But we can scratch behind our ears with our feet, so there.

  • Escargot
    Escargot

    REM,

    With respect, evolution is not a fact. Also, the LA Times did a big story last year showing that genetically, we are not related to any animals on this planet.

  • rem
    rem

    Escargot,

    Yes, Evolution is both a fact and a theory. Please provide a cite for the article you mention. We share over 98% of our DNA with Chimpanzees - that is a fact - so it is impossible to say we are not related to any animals on this planet. Where did you get your information?

    rem

    "We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
  • moman
    moman

    rem, you have proof that man iz related to apes? Sharing genetic code iz proof of nada. God could have made all creatures using the same building blocks. Do ya have the "missing link" rem, who iz it?
    -fastone-

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek
    Sharing genetic code iz proof of nada. God could have made all creatures using the same building blocks.

    Absolutely correct. A god (or gods or aliens) could have just created life to look exactly as if it had evolved. If this is the case, he did an absolutely superb job. As well as matching up the DNA so that for example, humans and chimps are ~98% identical including their junk DNA he also littered the planet with fossils of just the right kind in just the right place to give the impression of gradual change over long periods of time. Evolution can even be observed under laboratory conditions.
    Clearly, if a god did create species independently, he wants us to believe that all life on earth evolved from a single ancestor, and who are we to argue with the will of god?

    --
    Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit attrocities - Voltaire

  • JanH
    JanH

    moman,

    Convenient to just start a new thread instead of having to deal with the evidence, isn't it? I asked a number of pointed questions to creationists in that thread. Deal with them! Just saying it is "proof of nada" is just proof of your shallow or wishful thinking.

    Surely, as others have pointed out, a postulated supernatural being could have created species directly with the appearance of having evolved. That is equivalent to stating that God created the universe last Wednesday with the appearanc of age, including our memories of past events.

    - Jan
    --
    "Doctor how can you diagnose someone with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and then act like I had some choice about barging in here right now?" -- As Good As It Gets

  • JanH
    JanH

    escargot,

    With respect, evolution is not a fact.

    Nonsense. Evolution is a fact just like gravity is a fact. Care to answer the questions I raised in this thread? http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=16271&site=3

    That just dealt with one line of evidence against direct creation. There are countless others, all demonstrating the same fact.

    Also, the LA Times did a big story last year showing that genetically, we are not related to any animals on this planet.
    Ahh, it was in the newspaper, so it must be true There is a reason scientists write in scientific journals, and don't depend on journalists.

    Btw, can you find a link to this LAT article?

    Evolution has been considered a fact by science at least since the 1930s. If it hadn't been for religious fanatics, nobody would even have entertained the idea that life is the result of anything but evolution. It is one of the most well-established facts of science.

    - Jan
    --
    "Doctor how can you diagnose someone with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and then act like I had some choice about barging in here right now?" -- As Good As It Gets

  • Escargot
    Escargot

    Greetings:

    Please give me a couple of days to locate the article. It was a big piece in the LA Times about a year ago and a follow-up articles in a Fossil magazine.

    The point of the article was that as far as sharing a common ancestor to an animal, it is not located in our DNA or genetics as factored for reproduction. Also, the study proved we share a common human ancestor (like the Bible states) and we did not spring up on different points of the planet, like the evo people state, this discovery has put the evo theory on its head as of late. Time to re-group and ajuest the “facts(?)” some more!

    Also, Evo it is not a fact. The fossil records show a different history that what most evo adherents claim, and what Darwin stated would prove or disprove his theory. The problem is that it is hard to prove a negative. If you stated you can fly, the only way to prove you wrong is to actually have you try to fly to disprove your claim. See the difficulty? I can no more prove a God/Creation-ism than you can prove we came from apes, when a lack of facts exist. With respect, to call evo a “fact” is, in my current viewpoint, not helping your viewpoint.

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