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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

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  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  Have you read the article on young Muslims in Australia who want out of Islam, SBF? The poster no-zombie has it out. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5955816503902208/problem-being-wanting-ex-muslinThe relevant feature of radical Islam is the violent coercive nature of it. The negative impact on host nations and on the oppressive conditions it forces upon its own members subverts the excercise of freedoms in a country. I am convinced that there should be thresholds of assimilation for citizens to enjoy benefits of residency. At least do no harm to the others. The ordinary rule of law could create and maintain order by simply legislating criteria for conduct that had been customary for long time residents but must be legally described for others

  Thats how I see the matter.
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  The problem of being (or wanting be to) an Ex-Muslin

  by no-zombie in

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  i just finished reading a long article about the young people wanting to break free of islam in australia and the problems they face in leaving their high control religion.

  the similarities between us and them is quite clear, as is how they woke up.

  it's worth a read.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-09/double-lives:-the-secret-ex-muslim-network-in-australia/9811340.

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  humbled

  Bump this.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  SBF— come to think of it... in 1973 when l worked as an Au Pare in Nuremberg before my sojourn in Ireland there were a lot of Turks around the area clear to the suburb of Wendelstein where my employers lived.

  The question is whether radical Islam has come with the infusion of outside money. One needs healthy skepticism in these times.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  Slimboyfat— In a careful read of the OP it says there was a law passed in Austria three years ago that required mosques to not accept money from abroad. This kept allegiance with in their host country . Also a measure of goodwill was expected toward that same host country. As I understand it only the mosques that are out of compliance have been shut down for the preach also I’m measure of goodwill was expected toward that same host. Those out of compliance have been banned.

  If the extreme version of Islam were not so intolerable (and even at times deadly) there would be no problem. But if you read the plight of those who want to leave Islam or who disapprove of some teachings —they suffer grave or violent responses . Such communities as have those attitudes are adverse to progressive live-and-let-live culture.

  There are other measures that are cooperative between a government and the Muslim communities to help assimilate.

  Skinhead -jackboot type nationalism is not what will help. This is not what is coming l hope. But ignoring this problem is hurting everyone-progressive, gentle Muslims first and others as well.

  What measures do you think would work, SBF?
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  The problem of being (or wanting be to) an Ex-Muslin

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just finished reading a long article about the young people wanting to break free of islam in australia and the problems they face in leaving their high control religion.

  the similarities between us and them is quite clear, as is how they woke up.

  it's worth a read.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-09/double-lives:-the-secret-ex-muslim-network-in-australia/9811340.

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  Great to have information, no-zombie.

  I just posted on another thread an article from a Sydney paper on the Saudi funding of radical Islamist preachers in Australia. Needing oil makes politicians soft , complicit —even if Australian Muslims want out?

  l will read in the morning. Late here in Arkansas and l work tomorrow. But l will see what’s up later.

  edit: Started reading , couldn’t stop.

  Many said it was knowing Islam so well that allowed them to look at it critically.
  And they argued that regardless of their reasoning, they should be legally and socially able to opt out of a religion and to be safe from judgement and abuse.

  quote from article... sounds like one of us alright.
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  Simon— Bandicoot had brought up the problems in Australia a while back.

  The problem of oil and Islamic extremism was the subject in a Sydney newspaper shows how governments are at cross purposes in dealing for oil and dealing with radicalism

  https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/opinion/saudi-funds-help-pay-for-spread-of-wahhabism-20160829-gr3dlu.html

  Will legal checks on extremist imams have to overcome big oil Saudis who have been more important than peaceful living? Oil just wants a market. The market wants oil.
  

  Ps. But you may still need glasses :-/
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  Morpheus— Perhaps in-depth data and interviews with Muslims are too time consuming to consider in answering the question..where one might find that species of Muslim ( progressive).

  This is a short video showing in part the rough equivalent of a young PIMO Muslim woman who ardently and actively looks to sustain western values in partnership with non-Muslims as well.

  The following is from a town hall meeting after the bombing in Manchester. The panel is discussing the very matters of regulating extremism as the Austrian in the OP are dealing with. At 4 minutes the video is the girl and other commenter. Please do watch . It is highly relevant.

  https://youtu.be/Im6CD9yoF50
  
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  hmmm.... that sounds like a rare breed of cat. Where would one find that species? —Morpheus

  Among Muslim women for one. I have posted interviews with dissident Muslim women who risk their lives to embrace the same values we westerners enjoy.

  https://www.npr.org/2018/05/30/615457127/exiled-journalist-continues-to-fight-for-womens-rights-in-iran
  

  I will repost the data-filled documentary made by face to face interviews with Britain’s Muslims by Trevor Philips that gives some insight into why there must be focused programs to undo this insular pattern of Islamic culture. Because there is only a minority of progressive minded Muslims they will never be able to turn the tide without the government working on the problem.

  https://youtu.be/xQcSvBsU-FM
  
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  I will sound like a broken record for saying this again:

  Trevor Phillips has been at work in the U.K. with immigration. He recognized that left alone Muslims largely do not assimilate into progressive values of western countries. He writes and speaks on this subject with practical solutions that can be implemented in local communities.

  Also—This expulsion of non- compliant imams on the basis of a reasonable law ( of three years standing!) is not outrageous. The peaceful contingent of Muslims at Finsbury Park Mosque in the UK welcomed the authorities who helped deport the radical cleric that stirred trouble for them.

  Austria bears watching lest this law be badly done but countries must keep the peace for the good of everyone. Including peaceful progressive Muslims
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  Austria Begins Closing Mosques and Deporting Imams

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  austria, a member of the eu since 1995, is a country of 8.8 million people with a muslim population of around 600,000 mostly turkish immigrants.

  in 2015 it passed an 'islam law' prohibiting foreign funding of religious groups and creating a duty for muslim organisations to have 'a positive fundamental view towards state and society'.. many mosques in austria have continued to receive money from turkish muslim organisations so the new right-wing government have decided to enforce the law.

  seven mosques have been identified for closure and 60 imams are to be either deported or refused visas.

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  From the Reuters article:

  Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan’s spokesman said the new policy was part of an “Islamophobic, racist and discriminatory wave” in Austria. “The Austrian government’s ideologically charged practices are in violation of universal legal principles, social integration policies, minority rights and the ethics of co-existence,” Ibrahim Kalin tweeted.

  As far as I can see Austria is implementing a policy that protects order. The heart of the Turkish complaint that “universal legal principles, social integration policies, minority rights and the ethics of co-existence” are being violated . This statement is gaslighting. Those are precisely the things lost in countries that host imams who isolate their communities and accept Islamist state funding

  edit: The law is three years old? They (imams)have had time to think about it.