i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
Mondo,
You are right that Ps. 8:5 translates the word elohim as angel, and the concordance does not say it means agel either, eccept, just like i explained it, the translation comes after :- which menas that it is an added translation of the word itself.
i am trying to understand how come that only 144 000 get to go to "heaven", as i understand it there are about 5 million jw in the world right now.
that means that the remaining 5 866 000 are going to be left on earth.
why would you want to serv a god that will not allow you to enter into his kingdom, to get to spend an eternity with him, i know that's what i want...
Freetosee....i may not have had a lot experience when it comes to JW's but i have had some contact with them, and htey have not turned me over yet. I've been through too much to give up my faith inthe Living God now.
There is no way i would want to spend an eternity....which indeed is a long time, in hell or on earth...but i know i will spend it with the God in whom i believe....because the Word of God says so...
i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
King James Vrsion of Philippians 2:6 says "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God" now in hte KJV if something is added to the origional text it is in italics, this verse, however, does not have any italics in it.
American Standard says "who, eisting in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to grasp,"
New International Version says "who, being in very nature (in the form of) God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped."
Now what everyone has failed to mention is the last part of this verse...a thing to be grasped, that means that this is somethnig beyond our understanding.
The translation of the Greek in Strong's Concordance works as follows; the words that come before : - are the actual tranaslations of the word itself, after it are words that are just used to describe the word translated. So all the definitions i gave you came before,and the words following it were x Exceeding God, god (-ly, -ward).
I also asked for a Scripture where it clearly states that God Almighty created the Son and the Holy Spirit?
i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
It is true that it does not say in the Bible that you have to believe in the trinity to be saved, our Gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 "For i delivered unto you first of all that which i also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures"
But that is not to take His divinity away from Him,
i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
Somebody was asking about Philippians 2:6-7 "Who being in the formof God thought it not robbery to be equal qith God. But made Himslef in form of a servant adn was made in likeness of man" the Greek word for God here is Thehos and means the supeme divinity
as i see it it says he saw it not robbery to be equal with God, but he chose to make Himslef a servant that He may save the fallen man. It was His own choice to step down from the throne and become a man, He didn't have to, nobody made Him do it.
Another thing is that in Genesis God is listing everything that He created and He starts with the earth, and then He goes on saying let US make, now if God had to create the Son and the Holy Spirit, if they weren't part of the divinity wouldn't you think He would think that was important information for us to know. Aftar all He did tell us that He created the angels, He even created Licufer, right. So why did He fail to tell us about creating Jesus and the Holy Spirit?
i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
it is true that the Greek word used in htis text, pnyoo - mah, means breath or wind but it also translates the things i mentioned, in other contexts it is translated as ghost, life, spirit, mind but as far as the origional translations it means a current of air i.e breath (blast) or a breeze, (superhuman) angel, or (divine) God
i am trying to understand how come that only 144 000 get to go to "heaven", as i understand it there are about 5 million jw in the world right now.
that means that the remaining 5 866 000 are going to be left on earth.
why would you want to serv a god that will not allow you to enter into his kingdom, to get to spend an eternity with him, i know that's what i want...
When i have to choice of spending it with Him or the Devil, i think my first pick will be God....i do not know about you but i would not want to burn for an eternity...and that is all the devil has to offer :)
i am trying to understand how come that only 144 000 get to go to "heaven", as i understand it there are about 5 million jw in the world right now.
that means that the remaining 5 866 000 are going to be left on earth.
why would you want to serv a god that will not allow you to enter into his kingdom, to get to spend an eternity with him, i know that's what i want...
Freetosee, said that teh men of faith will come back to reestablish their kingdom, my question is where is that found inthe Bible?
i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
What about Scriptures such as Matthew 3:16 "...and he saw the Spirit of God descending" the greek words here, according to the concordance, mean an angel, or (divine) God, a deity, the Supreme Divinity God - so where do you get that He is just an IT, and in Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne,o God..." again we have the same use of words in Greek, Jesus is depicted as God.
i am studying about jw, and as i understand it you do not believe in the trinity, how can you not belive in something that the bible says is real, i understand that the word trinity itself is not in the bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune god is talked about in the bible...
I am studying about JW, and as i understand it you do not believe in the Trinity, how can you not belive in something that the Bible says is real, i understand that the word Trinity itself is not in the Bible, but that does not mean that it does not exist especially since the triune God is talked about in the Bible...
