Posts by dutyfree

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Logic and reasoning

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i have several questions, the first of which concerns the blood issue.. i am a bit puzzled as to why jws insist on refusing to accept blood, even if it means the difference between life and death.. in the bible it says,'... you should abstain from blood...'.

how are we to interpret that?

well, bearing in mind that it was written several thousand years ago, it would seem logical to assume that the writer's intended meaning was to persuade the people living in that time not to drink blood.

dutyfree

Hello Everyone!
I have several questions, the first of which concerns the blood issue.

I am a bit puzzled as to why JWs insist on refusing to accept blood, even if it means the difference between life and death.

In the bible it says,'... you should abstain from blood...'

How are we to interpret that? Well, bearing in mind that it was written several thousand years ago, it would seem logical to assume that the writer's intended meaning was to persuade the people living in that time not to drink blood. I believe the writer meant this.

The average JW has a different mindset to the person on the street. He thinks differently, almost like he is being directed by someone else, sort of remote-controlled.

JWs have this idea that there will be this Paradise Earth after Armageddon.

The fact that Armageddon was first scheduled for 1881 when C T Russell was the President does not seem to weaken this belief.

The fact that none of the predictions have come to pass does not seem to make any difference. Still they persist. Why?

Anyway, I'm drifting... back to the point...

So, the writer's intended meaning then. All those thousands of years ago, the equipment ie IV needles, did not exist to inject blood, so logically he could not have meant this, right?

Also, is the writer explicit in saying that blood must not be used if it is to save a person's life? No, he isn't. So.... we have to use our grey matter. The brain, in other words.

Imagine this scenario...

Your child is dying from an incurable disease. He needs blood to allow him to live. You are a JW and you refuse to let the doctors give him blood, insisting on blood substitutes be used instead. The doctors say that only real blood will work. Otherwise he will die. Simple as that.

Is one supposed to just sit back and pray that he will somehow survive, or what?

Or, must one think about the life he will lead on the Paradise Earth?
But, JWs have been expecting that for over 120 years and still no sign!!

One more question - WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THIS RELIGION?! I CANNOT SEE A SINGLE OUNCE OF RHYME OR REASON, JUST MADNESS.

Conclusion: The majority, but by no means all of JWs are brainwashed, confused and misguided people. I have many friends who are JWs and they are the most trustworthy, decent people you could expect to meet, so it is rather sad.

Regards,

Dutyfree

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Probably the Biggest Con in the World

by dutyfree in

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i have a question:.

why is it that since the inception of this bizarre religion, there was no problem with blood transfusions during russell's reign, no problems during rutherford's term and then out of the blue... no blood!.

as my jw tenant said to me the other day, '...you cannot mis-interpret that line in the bible (referring to the passage which says, '...you should abstain from blood...').. if that is the case, why did it take over 60 years for the jws to realize that there was a problem after all, and thus issuing a total ban?.

dutyfree

*** Blood transfusions didn't become popular until World War Two. It wasn't possible before then because refrigeration wasn't widely available. / You Know ***

OK, so how is it that it took another 20 years or so before it was decided that they were unethical and unscriptural?

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(Soon to be) an Extinct Species?

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jws all over the world will not be happy bunnies to hear that the number is falling, especially is countries like germany, japan and canada.

currently standing at just over 6 million, we could be down to 5m by the end of next year!!.

any guesses as to how long before we are rid of these pseudo-religous people and they are made extinct, like the dinosaurs?

dutyfree

JWs all over the world will not be happy bunnies to hear that the number is falling, especially is countries like Germany, Japan and Canada. Currently standing at just over 6 million, we could be down to 5m by the end of next year!!

Any guesses as to how long before we are rid of these pseudo-religous people and they are made extinct, like the dinosaurs?

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Prediction time, again?

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most of us are aware of the number of times the wtbts has made predictions that have failed to come to pass... 1881, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1935, 1945, the big 1975, to mention just a few and there was also one in 1983, i am led to believe?

i would be interested to hear more about that one as i am not aware of this one!.

q: is it true that about 6 years ago the wtbts announced that it would be making no more "claims" about when we could expect the end of the world... at least it would no longer be specifying dates.

dutyfree

Most of us are aware of the number of times the WTBTS has made predictions that have failed to come to pass... 1881, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1935, 1945, the BIG 1975, to mention just a few and there was also one in 1983, I am led to believe? I would be interested to hear more about that one as I am not aware of this one!

Q: Is it true that about 6 years ago the WTBTS announced that it would be making no more "claims" about when we could expect the end of the world... at least it would no longer be specifying dates. Can anyone shed any light on this as I am unfamiliar with this announcement. Obviously the WT does not want another 1975-style disaster on their hands!

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Probably the Biggest Con in the World

by dutyfree in

jw
friends

i have a question:.

why is it that since the inception of this bizarre religion, there was no problem with blood transfusions during russell's reign, no problems during rutherford's term and then out of the blue... no blood!.

as my jw tenant said to me the other day, '...you cannot mis-interpret that line in the bible (referring to the passage which says, '...you should abstain from blood...').. if that is the case, why did it take over 60 years for the jws to realize that there was a problem after all, and thus issuing a total ban?.

dutyfree

I have a question:

Why is it that since the inception of this bizarre religion, there was no problem with blood transfusions during Russell's reign, no problems during Rutherford's term and then out of the blue... NO BLOOD!

As my JW tenant said to me the other day, '...you cannot mis-interpret that line in the bible (referring to the passage which says, '...you should abstain from blood...').

If that is the case, why did it take over 60 years for the JWs to realize that there was a problem after all, and thus issuing a total ban?

Of course, we all know that Rutherford (President #2) was the biggest Conman in recent times: a cigar-smoking, notorious alcoholic and adulterer who didn't give a damn about his 'flock' so long as he was safe but, that's besides the point!

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The Blood Issue

by dutyfree in

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i have a question about the infamous blood issue, which i am sure will be very easy for some people to answer.. in the bible, niv, nwt, kj or whatever, the line, '...you should abstain from blood...' is taken literally by the witnesses and they do not take into account other scriptures whilst reading it.. what other scriptures are there in the bible to support the theory that the writer's intended meaning was not to take it literally?

so, in other words, i have argued with jws that it means to not drink blood as there were no iv needles around then to inject the blood into the veins.

but are there any other scriptures to back this up?.

dutyfree

I have a question about the infamous blood issue, which I am sure will be very easy for some people to answer.

In the bible, NIV, NWT, KJ or whatever, the line, '...you should abstain from blood...' is taken literally by the witnesses and they do not take into account other scriptures whilst reading it.

What other scriptures are there in the bible to support the theory that the writer's intended meaning was not to take it literally? So, in other words, I have argued with JWs that it means to not drink blood as there were no IV needles around then to inject the blood into the veins. But are there any other scriptures to back this up?

Muchos gracios

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Last Days?

by betweenworlds in

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i'm just wondering if when anyone else hears people (jw's) say "well we must be living in the last days because look how awful the world is, look how awful people are to each other, look at the earthquakes, etc, etc, etc" that is doesn't really seem to make sense?

i mean look at the old testament.

i don't think people could be any crappier to each other than the examples put forth there!

dutyfree

fredhall, you really are brainwashed, aren't you??!!!

wake up and smell the coffee!!!

Armageddon will never happen... at least not in our lifetime, or our childrens, grandchildrens... basically, not for about 2 million years!

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Independent Thinking - Prohibited?

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there are many people who claim that jws are brainwashed... i am not going to disagree with that statement!.

i have read somewhere that jws are specifically instructed not to think independently and/or logically, as that is satan's way of getting to you!.

when i told this to someone recently she said she was an independent thinker and had never heard that - unfortunately i cannot remember where i heard or read it - i think it was on a website.

dutyfree

There are about 7 million JWs worldwide - unless I stand corrected? Who knows whether that figure is decreasing or on the increase?

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Independent Thinking - Prohibited?

by dutyfree in

jw
friends

there are many people who claim that jws are brainwashed... i am not going to disagree with that statement!.

i have read somewhere that jws are specifically instructed not to think independently and/or logically, as that is satan's way of getting to you!.

when i told this to someone recently she said she was an independent thinker and had never heard that - unfortunately i cannot remember where i heard or read it - i think it was on a website.

dutyfree

There are many people who claim that JWs are brainwashed... I am not going to disagree with that statement!

I have read somewhere that JWs are specifically instructed NOT to think independently and/or logically, as that is Satan's way of getting to you!

When I told this to someone recently she said she was an independent thinker and had never heard that - unfortunately I cannot remember where I heard or read it - I think it was on a website. Can anyone confirm whether it's true?

Dutyfree

No more predictions for the Apocalypse?

by dutyfree in

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friends

most of us are aware of the number of times the wtbts has made predictions that have failed to come to pass... 1881, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1935, 1945, the big 1975, to mention just a few and there was also one in 1983, i am led to believe?

i would be interested to hear more about that one as i am not aware of this one!.

is it true that about 6 years ago the wtbts announced that it would be making no more "claims" about when we could expect the end of the world... at least it would no longer be specifying dates.

dutyfree

Most of us are aware of the number of times the WTBTS has made predictions that have failed to come to pass... 1881, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1935, 1945, the BIG 1975, to mention just a few and there was also one in 1983, I am led to believe? I would be interested to hear more about that one as I am not aware of this one!

Is it true that about 6 years ago the WTBTS announced that it would be making no more "claims" about when we could expect the end of the world... at least it would no longer be specifying dates. Can anyone shed any light on this as I am unfamiliar with this announcement. Obviously the WT does not want another 1975-style disaster on their hands!