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Maybe Interesting Blood News

by truth.ceeker in

i had a meeting with my heart surgeon yesterday, and after informing him of our faith, my wife still holding onto to parts of the organization, the dr. said that, "there is a new form that just came out last year from your mother church in new york.

" what this document does is (1) make it clear that the person is not allowing blood to be used, (2) makes it clear that the dr. will have a court order ready in case blood is deemed medically necessary to sustain life and (3) absolves the person's conscience of any guilt if it came down to it.

i'm not sure if this document has been discussed before, but i thought that it was a bit intriguing.

Talkactive

This is a document from the hospital not the WTS. Since the Doctors do not understand how the Bible talks about blood (how sacred it is, to abstain from it, to not take blood into our bodies in ANY form) then they think if THEY come up with this little document for you to sign you will do it, It is not from the WTS. The WTS has not changed any policy on blood because GOD has not changed his commandment he has given us through the BIBLE. It is the Bible that tells us to abstain from blood not the WTS. If your Doctor told you to abstain from Alcohol would you think it would be ok to get an IV full of it through your veins? Same thing.

Hello to you inthetruth!

Have you ever thought of that the Watchtower Society have banned vaccinations, organ transplantations and have never, as I'm informed about, admitted that they was wrong and that it is Ok for a JW to accept vaccinations and organ transplantations, but transferred the problem to each members, by the Society trained conscience to determine and accept it or not?

Was the Society’s ban on vaccinations and organ transplantations Bible standards and the truth?

How does it come that The Watchtower Society cooperate with Companies that store thousands and other thousands tons of killed animals blood and allow it to be injected in members, with a great risk to be infected with the animal variant of CJD, better known as mad cow disease BSE where the Bible without any misunderstanding tells us to pure the blood out as water on the ground in Leviticus 15:13! Is it in accordance to Christian principles of love?

How does it come that an organisation who claims to speak on the behalf of Jehovah and look at themselves as vicars for Jesus Christ, telling that they teach their members bible standards, where they for decades have disfellowshipped and shunned members who has been disagree and discussed the blood issue and if a member has accepted derivates, before the Society have allowed it, has been kicked out from their religion, now can accept and allow their members to take 97 % of the non water stored haemoglobin, from animals and humans, without the donut! (The donut is the shield around the haemoglobin and consist 3 % of the non water blood) and still be in good standing?

If and opposite a JW take 97 % of the non water haemoglobin and the 3 % donuts, which aren't banned, in one not, two different injections, which totally make 100% of the banned red blood cells, a JW will be cut of without a hearing and kicked out of his/hers religion and shunned!

Will you pls. be kind to explain the difference and why and is 97 % of the banned red blood cells a minor part of the blood, if the blood and the red blood cells really is a no-no in accordance to Act 15:20,29?

Will you pls. explain to all of us why the Society now have accept that a JW can take haemoglobin, 97 % of the non water blood, the red blood cells, but it is a no-no to take 5 % of the non water platelets?

Have you ever thought of that the Watchtower Society admits that every time the Bible talks about the blood, it is in connection with eating it, nothing else?

Have you ever thought of that the body does not use transfused blood or derivates as nutria, but it only replace and do what the blood was designed to do? In opposite cas we would all be dead, if our bodies consumes blood!

Have you ever thought of that Paul, in accordance to the Society’s teaching must be an apostate, since he allows Christians to eat meat, offered to idols, to be eaten.1 Corinthians 8:4-6!

The Society makes it looks like that Paul was an apostate, since they teach that taking a blood transfusion or derivates hereof is equal to eat blood and therefore it must be a no-no, not to eat meat which has been offered to idols be a violation of what comes forth in the Apostolic decree in Acts 15:29!

Does the Bible teach us that we under no circumstances can take or eat meat, which has been offered to idols into our body, whether it will be feeding through the mouth or by a sonde/tube, if the person has problems to swallow or is in a state of unconsciousness, to sustain life? Acts 15:29!

Have you ever been thinking of the Jehovah has created the Bat, the Leech and the Mosquitoes, which all sustain life and gives birth to their ofspring at blood and thet twisn in certain cituations share the same blood via the festus, if the blood was holy. It seem that you are in error with the Society, since and what I am informed about, they have admitted that the physical blood isn't holy, but it is representing life?

Is it possible for Jehovah to violate his own law? No of course not, it would be a bad example for us humans to let animal eat and sustain life, if the blood was holy!!! It is representing life and a metaphor for life and therefore the people whoi left Jesus didn't eighter understand this as described in John 6:52-66!

Do you also recommend other people in your door to door work and teach other you e.g. study with, that people has died because they was e.g. sensitive and react against antibiotics or other medical product or maybe even have died and therefore it's a no-no, better to be safe than sorrow, where it is a fact from the practical life and a sientific evidence, that the medicines have saved thousands and other thousands of persons lives, e.g. in question of smalpox, cancer and other diseases, even that there are bad Companies in the business?

Have you ever been thinking of that you could be held responsible, if your teaching is or will be responsible for a persons death, if the Watchtower Society change their stand again, in question of vaccinations, organ transplants, the blood and derivates, which they have done several times like a flickering light in a discotheque?

What is your understanding of what comes forth in 1 Peter 5:3 and 2 Corinthians 1:24? and will it be right that the Soceity, you or I put our beliefs upon others conscience, wheter we can accept to be treated with blood or derivates hereof?

Ecclesiastes 1:18!

For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
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People can’t hear and carry the truth, because the lies are tickling their ears!

Jeremiah 8:8!

How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

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Does Jehovah really forbid getting use of blood, in an emergency situation?

by Talkactive in

jw
friends

it seems that the watchtower society has created a big portion of confusion regarding medical use of blood, among their members, even more among non members, nobody else, studying the bible and familiarly with the hebrew and greek language, have come up with the same interpretation, conclusion and doctrine as the society, regarding the use of blood and derivates from blood.

the society has from the early thirties banned vaccinations, with sanctions, as the act of satan and later on from the forties also banned blood transfusions, by learning and indoctrinated their members, that medical use of blood will displease god, which tragically has resulted in approximate 1000 adult and childrens death every year and those who didn't follow the doctrines, was shunned and cut of from their family members friends and was totally socially isolated.

as time pas by, the society positively, for their members, lift the ban on vaccinations and it was now up to the individuals own conscience to accept vaccinations or not, with that argument, that the bible didn't mentioning anything about vaccinations.

Talkactive

Fullofdoubt wrote!

No, Jehovah’s witnesses forbid it, and they don't talk for God, no matter how much they say they do.

Thank you very much "Fullofdoubtnow" and hello to all others out there!

Is it really the "Jehovah’s Witnesses" whom forbid it? Isn't it rather some of the members of the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society, blinds who have been teached by other blinds as Jesus say in Matthew 15:14! The demon possessed editor of Golden Age, now the Awake magazine? Which they distribute through their Organisation, The Watchtower Society. Pursued through their ministers, acting blindly as lackeys and marionettes, like the in ministers of the Catholic Church, during the black inquisition period and those of Hitler’s men who didn’t' listen to their conscience, responsible for the killings of Jews in the concentration camps, trying to make excuse for themselves, "We were only following orders" but the Nürnberg processes convinced them and send a clear warning to the World and humanity, that there is no excuse for obeying orders, when it comes to a situation when somebody’s political or religious idea, claims the life of another person(s)!

This is nothing else than committing first degree murder, whether it is due to political ideas or religious leaders doctrines, when somebody claims the life of another person(s) and members of the Governing Body, the leaders behind Jehovah’s Witnesses has already sent thousands and other of thousand people into a premature death and it continues due to their murder doctrines as latest confirmed in one of their magazines, Awake, August edition with the headline: "BLOOD! And the evilness continues!!!!

The best example is the May 22, 1994 Awake! magazine showing photos of 26 children, where it comes forth; "Thousands and other thousands of youth's have died in former times, because they have put Jehovah first, they are still doing it today, silently at Hospitals around the world......"!

Jim Jones in Guyana's Jungle was only successful in sending 940 adults and their Children into a premature death, but the Watchtower Society has sent thousands and other thousands into a premature death and it continues!!!!

Religious freedom isn't absolute as stated of the President Vladimiro Naranjo, "This is a form of murder, moreover, first degree murder...Religious freedom is not absolute, there are limitations, a religion that attempts to claim the life of a person cannot be legally permitted." - Constitutional Court of Colombia.

The insanity has to be stopped now! And this can be started through all of us by distributing and spreading the contents of this page to all other forums at Internet, through that and hopefully Presidents. Kings, Governments Courts and Lawyers and responsible people, who carries the sword as Paul stated in Romans 13:1-10! Then can be aware of this huge problem, what has and are being committed by the Watchtower Society, against their members!!!!!!

First of all, give members their contribution to the watchtower Society. Later on when their blood doctrine has been responsible for a members premature death, they use treat family, friends and other members with sanctions to be disfellowshipped and shunned. Afterwards use the Governing Body and the Watchtower Society their member’s contribution and money, to protect themselves in Courts, against being accused committing of 1 degree murder!!!!!

It’s so groteskt!!!!!

13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Pls. do it now, not tomorrow or the day after; simply you can and hereby have a change to save a Childs life or an adult who are Mind Controlled and blindly believe in the Watchtower murder doctrine and they are God's choosen channel on earth!

Do it now!!! Pls.....

This in form of a complete statement from each individual members of the Governing Body, to and in public, the World Medias and in their own magazines Awake and Watchtower, forwarding a complete capitulation and withdraw of the blood doctrine a full excuse for their sanctions, behaviour and that they deeply regret by their hearts and with honestly sorrow. By this actions they at least can bring an end to the tragically premature death and an excuse to all the livings, left behind, after their members and as a memory to all victims, their ban against vaccinations, organ and medical treatment with blood and derivates, has been responsible for being sentence into a premature death. A father, a mother, a child or a friend, bellowed ones, whom believed that they was obeying God, but was sentenced to the death by doctrines of men!

Have ones ever thought of, that there are Witnesses for Jehovah, ones who obey Him more than the Watchtowers doctrines and are doing their best to follow Jesus Christ teachings and examples, opposite them who call themselves for Jehovah's Witnesses and, among others, blindly spread and followed the Watchtower's doctrines, which have sent thousands and other thousands of Mind Controlled and indoctrination processes, so called "Brothers, Sisters and, due to, their Children, Christians into a premature death, who’s only sin was that they like to obey God, but fall into the Watchtowers deadly non Scriptural and Biological wrong doctrines? Acts 5:29-32!

5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
What I am trying to say is, that there among members of the Watchtower Society, are persons who call themselves for Witnesses for Jehovah, but only are Jehovah’s Witnesses, simply because they are members of the Watchtower Society, like those who call themselves for Christians but only belong to the Christianity. Why? Because they don’t obey Jehovah more than a son of a man and follow men, in whom there is no salvation, by their belief and their acts! Psalm 146:3-10!

146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

146:5 Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in the LORD his God:
146:6 Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is: which keepeth truth for ever:

146:7 Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners:
146:8 The LORD openeth the eyes of the blind: the LORD raiseth them that are bowed down: the LORD loveth the righteous:

146:9 The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.

146:10 The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.

Ecclesiastes 1:18!

1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

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People can’t hear and berry the truth, because the lies are tickling their ears! Jeremiah 8:8!

How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

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Does Jehovah really forbid getting use of blood, in an emergency situation?

by Talkactive in

jw
friends

it seems that the watchtower society has created a big portion of confusion regarding medical use of blood, among their members, even more among non members, nobody else, studying the bible and familiarly with the hebrew and greek language, have come up with the same interpretation, conclusion and doctrine as the society, regarding the use of blood and derivates from blood.

the society has from the early thirties banned vaccinations, with sanctions, as the act of satan and later on from the forties also banned blood transfusions, by learning and indoctrinated their members, that medical use of blood will displease god, which tragically has resulted in approximate 1000 adult and childrens death every year and those who didn't follow the doctrines, was shunned and cut of from their family members friends and was totally socially isolated.

as time pas by, the society positively, for their members, lift the ban on vaccinations and it was now up to the individuals own conscience to accept vaccinations or not, with that argument, that the bible didn't mentioning anything about vaccinations.

Talkactive

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Does Jehovah really forbid getting use of blood, in an emergency situation?

by Talkactive in

jw
friends

it seems that the watchtower society has created a big portion of confusion regarding medical use of blood, among their members, even more among non members, nobody else, studying the bible and familiarly with the hebrew and greek language, have come up with the same interpretation, conclusion and doctrine as the society, regarding the use of blood and derivates from blood.

the society has from the early thirties banned vaccinations, with sanctions, as the act of satan and later on from the forties also banned blood transfusions, by learning and indoctrinated their members, that medical use of blood will displease god, which tragically has resulted in approximate 1000 adult and childrens death every year and those who didn't follow the doctrines, was shunned and cut of from their family members friends and was totally socially isolated.

as time pas by, the society positively, for their members, lift the ban on vaccinations and it was now up to the individuals own conscience to accept vaccinations or not, with that argument, that the bible didn't mentioning anything about vaccinations.

Talkactive

Hello to all of you! It seems that The Watchtower Society has created a big portion of confusion regarding medical use of blood, among their members, even more among non members, nobody else, studying the Bible and familiarly with the Hebrew and Greek language, have come up with the same interpretation, conclusion and doctrine as the Society, regarding the use of blood and derivates from blood. The Society has from the early thirties banned vaccinations, with sanctions, as the act of Satan and later on from the forties also banned blood transfusions, by learning and indoctrinated their members, that medical use of blood will displease God, which tragically has resulted in approximate 1000 adult and children’s death every year and those who didn't follow the doctrines, was shunned and cut of from their family members friends and was totally socially isolated. As time pas by, The Society positively, for their members, lift the ban on vaccinations and it was now up to the individuals own conscience to accept vaccinations or not, with that argument, that the Bible didn't mentioning anything about vaccinations. Later on and before year 2000 the Society slowly start to change their blood doctrine, by allowing certain blood components and derivates from blood to be used. In 2004 and in the August edition of Awake 2006 it comes forth that red and white cells, plasma and pallets still are banned, but all derivates are acceptable and it is now, like vaccinations, up to each members own conscience to decide whether they will use the allowed blood derivates or not. The Watchtower Society has for more than 50 years indoctrinated their members conscience that they will loose Gods favour, salvation and be delivered to Satan and as a result hereof, many members are still rejecting a vaccination and blood derivates, that's why it seems to be difficult to stop the death casualties, even it now has been accepted by the Society to take a vaccination and use derivates from blood, even in a situation where it could lead to the death. It seems that The Watchtower Society are more concerned about the Organization, persons in the Governing Body, doctrines and numbers, rather than their members life and security, and the death casualties among their members continues, because it is only Countries which has a well establish hospital system and clinics, with access to derivates and resources, who can offer treatments with sell saver and Hemopure, adjusted to the Society’s changing blood doctrines. The Watchtower Society’s actual stand at the blood doctrine, as described in the August edition of Awake, rise more questions, than it answers. 1. How can the Society forbid medical use of whole blood, in a distress situation, when a Jew and an Alien in Leviticus 17:15 was allowed to eat a self dead animal with all its blood in, like a sausage to sustain life? Only a ceremonial bath before evening and the matter was settled between God and the Society! 2. How can the Society allow that tons of killed animals blood are stored and not purred out at the ground, as described in Leviticus 17:13 and 97 % of the red forbidden blood cells can be used at their members, with the risk for being infected with the animal variant of the human Creutzfeldt Jacobs Disease CJD, mad cow disease BSE? 3 How can the Society forbid members to store their own blood before a planned operation, when no life are taken but they can accept that animals get killed and tons of blood can be stored and used in form of Hemopure? 4. Can the Society have got the same wrong understanding, like the disciples who left Jesus in John 6:52-63, that it isn't the physical blood, but the blood as a metaphor for life? 5. How can the Society forbid their members to donate blood, which even could save life at their followers, when they accept to receive donated blood from non members and blood from animals? 6. How can the Society manipulate and give different explanations of the Greek word "Eudolothutos" which Paul uses in the first letter to the Corinthians 8:4 and James in Acts 15:29 different for support of the blood ban and doctrine? It was not a Christian commandment but more a recommendation! 7. Have Jehovah violated his own law in the creation by letting the bat, mosquito, the leech and other animals sustain life on holy blood and letting twins share the same blood via or in the Festus. Wouldn't it be a bad example for us? 8 When the Society in public admit that the blood is a fluting organ and they now accept that organ transplantations are allowed, why are a blood transfusion still banned with sanctions? 9. How could the Society state that a blood transfusion is equal to eat blod, when the blood only replace and the body can't use it as nutria, otherwise one would have consumed ones own blood and be dead? 10 Why are JW's allowed to take a transfusion of hemoglobin that makes up 75% of the non-water part of blood but are forbidden to take a transfusion of platelets which only make up 5% of the non-water part of blood? This was only a few questions who arise because of the Watchtower Society’s ban on blood, there are many others which remains, but the main thing is how can this misguided insanity be stopped, because the Bible is quite clear that nobody have the right to play masters over our beliefs, which it seems that the Governing Body totally have missed by putting sanction behind their doctrines. The second letter to Corinthians 1:24! Ecclesiastes 1:18 and 12:11-14! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People can’t hear and berry the truth, because the lies are tickling their ears!