It is scientific, but it would seem magical to people in the past or to those who don't know how these things work- like guns were seen as magical by those who hadn't seen guns before. I believe we live in a world without magical beings, and that's the way I prefer it. I'd make an exception for some magical beings though, a genie would be nice to have around.
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magic and fairy tales
by John Doe inif you had a choice of living in a world where magic, fairy tales, angels, demons, gods, and other curmudgeons were real as opposed to a completely secular world, which would you choose and why?
notice i didn't imply which kind of world we actually live in.
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Question for Christians Re: Cures
by serotonin_wraith inthis is actually a sincere question (believe it or not!).
i've mentioned how christians may not look to find cures for things such as cancer, because they believe jesus will sort it all out when he returns sometime soon.
there were some who disagreed and said cures can still be sought.. but i thought about that.
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If sad emo is right and God created the world to have all these diseases, and mouthy is right in saying we were only given the knowledge to cure them after eating from the tree, does this mean that God wanted diseases in the world and for us to suffer with them (forever if they ate from the tree of life) without ever finding cures?
If someone sees their child die from cancer and asks how God could let that happen, is the answer that God set things up that way before man's fall even, so don't complain?
Diseases aren't because of Satan but are in fact God's choice all along?
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Question for Christians Re: Cures
by serotonin_wraith inthis is actually a sincere question (believe it or not!).
i've mentioned how christians may not look to find cures for things such as cancer, because they believe jesus will sort it all out when he returns sometime soon.
there were some who disagreed and said cures can still be sought.. but i thought about that.
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So God created Adam and Eve to have a limited lifespan aswell as sickness and disease? It sounds like how things work today. Who am I to question the Lord, but a few things strike me as odd about this. Why make diseases when you know man won't be able to cure them for hundreds or thousands of years, or perhaps never? There's a tree of life in the garden too, which God doesn't forbid them eating from. He stops them getting to it AFTER the fall. I'm not sure if you believe the Earth will be transformed in the future, but if you do, when God says sickness and death shall be no more, why make the improvement then, instead of back in the Garden?
I'm off to bed now, so I won't be able to reply for a while.
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Question for Christians Re: Cures
by serotonin_wraith inthis is actually a sincere question (believe it or not!).
i've mentioned how christians may not look to find cures for things such as cancer, because they believe jesus will sort it all out when he returns sometime soon.
there were some who disagreed and said cures can still be sought.. but i thought about that.
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a) do we?
Okay, then do you think before the fall of man, Adam and Eve had these ailments? It's the garden of Eden, isn't it supposed to be perfect? No sickness etc? You have to either accept that they were in perfect health before the fall and answer the previous question, or accept that God made them to live forever with diseases and sicknesses and aches and pains, knowing painkillers wouldn't be invented for a great many years.
b) is it?
Well not if it was just how God set it up to begin with before the fall, but I'm not sure that's the case.
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Question for Christians Re: Cures
by serotonin_wraith inthis is actually a sincere question (believe it or not!).
i've mentioned how christians may not look to find cures for things such as cancer, because they believe jesus will sort it all out when he returns sometime soon.
there were some who disagreed and said cures can still be sought.. but i thought about that.
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This is actually a sincere question (believe it or not!). I've mentioned how Christians may not look to find cures for things such as cancer, because they believe Jesus will sort it all out when he returns sometime soon. There were some who disagreed and said cures can still be sought.
But I thought about that. Christians believe the diseases, the backache, the toothache, and all these other ailments we suffer with through life came about after the fall of man. It was God's punishment (or at least he set up a system in which ailments would come about if man ever fell) so I'm wondering on what basis Christians could say they can look for cures. Wouldn't that be trying to get out of the punishment we (apparently) deserve as a fallen species? (Why do other species get ill too, thinking about it? Was it always that way for them, because they didn't fall.)
Doesn't God deserve to do what he wants to us because afterall, he made us? What right to Christians have (according to their beliefs) to even use asprin?
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Jesus is the answer!
by startingover ini hope it worked.
my intent with the title of this thread was to attract both believers and non-believers.
whenever a thread appears promoting the wonders of jesus, it will inevitably develop into a back and forth discussion ad nauseam.. i was born into a family that believed there was a god, he had a son jesus and his word was the bible.
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I can see everyone's just going to make fun of me. I keep hearing that faith should be respected and yet in my case it isn't. What a big double standard. If I could prove the chocolate dragon to you I would, but if there was proof then it wouldn't be faith. Everyone used to think the world was flat so that shows if most people believe something, it doesn't automatically make it true. If you think you've experienced the holy spirit you're wrong- that was the fire of goodness. You can't disprove the chocolate dragon.
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Do you really want to save us?
by nvrgnbk inthis is for the christians.. let's put our swords away.. try to convince those of us that have lost our faith to accept jesus christ and all that that acceptance entails.. pretend that our lives( eternal) depend on it.. that's what you believe isn't it?.
this is an opportunity to win souls for christ.. yes.
things may get heated.
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Maybe I'm just not cut out for it then. I've felt extremely low in the past, and I never once thought there was a higher power. I knew that I would need real solutions, real help from real people. It's like when people pray to God if a relative is in a serious condition in hospital. If they get better, they believe God was with them. But they forget about the doctors and nurses who did the real help. I've just never understood it. Who they help to recovery is completely random- Muslims, Hindus, Christians, atheists, etc. Same with when people are at a low point. Sometimes something will come along- a friend may come round just before they commit suicide say, but other people go through with it and kill themselves. It seems like pure coincidence to me who God helps and doesn't help.
Is it possible perhaps when there is nothing else (me, my wants, my desires, my ideas etc) getting in the way is the time when God can best get our undivided attention?
If someone has nothing, maybe then they want to think there's another life after this one, or the chance to see dead relatives, or they want to know they have a friend who will always be there. It seems to me like a desire to believe in a better life when the one you have has hit rock bottom.
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Do you really want to save us?
by nvrgnbk inthis is for the christians.. let's put our swords away.. try to convince those of us that have lost our faith to accept jesus christ and all that that acceptance entails.. pretend that our lives( eternal) depend on it.. that's what you believe isn't it?.
this is an opportunity to win souls for christ.. yes.
things may get heated.
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Sad Emo:
absolutely everything was gone by that point in my life.
It seems to me that's the perfect time to need some hope to carry on. I think I'd be right in saying more people 'find God' when they are low than when they feel on top of the world.
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Jesus is the answer!
by startingover ini hope it worked.
my intent with the title of this thread was to attract both believers and non-believers.
whenever a thread appears promoting the wonders of jesus, it will inevitably develop into a back and forth discussion ad nauseam.. i was born into a family that believed there was a god, he had a son jesus and his word was the bible.
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serotonin_wraith
It is hard to explain unless you experience it yourself. I just felt the fire of goodness and it made me want to do good. His plans for all of us were revealed to me. I know you believe in an invisible dragon, so you're not too far removed from how I think. Maybe the real dragon will spare you.
Hugs back,
SW.
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Do you really want to save us?
by nvrgnbk inthis is for the christians.. let's put our swords away.. try to convince those of us that have lost our faith to accept jesus christ and all that that acceptance entails.. pretend that our lives( eternal) depend on it.. that's what you believe isn't it?.
this is an opportunity to win souls for christ.. yes.
things may get heated.
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I should clarify that I am open to change, just that I have no reason to start believing in a big invisible man or some kind of Star Wars force in the universe. I can't just make myself believe based on wishful thinking, I see that as a very dishonest way to live. I need to have some reason first. I'm a critical thinker.
Were you looking for your personal experience before it happened? If you were, you may have ended up seeing what you wanted to see. I know I wouldn't be impartial if I was wanting to find a higher spiritual being- I'd start believing for the flimsiest of reasons. That's why I asked in another thread recently about spirituality, I don't see it as anything 'more' than things that can be explained by physical means. So I am open to it, but at the moment I feel I'd be turning off my brain if I were to accept it now.
Awakened07- You sure tricked me, then! Probably because I've actually heard arguments like the one you posted from sincere believers. We need something under the avatars to show what we believe, there's too many names to remember. Sorry I didn't remember your real beliefs.