i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
I didn't call anyone ignorant nor did I praise anyone's ignorance. I was admiring Hibie's pugnacity.
My mistake. Sorry.
Blueviceroy, you are aware Jesus didn't give up his life, if the Bible is to be believed that is, aren't you? Isn't he alive now? He didn't give up anything.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
I have to admire the way you keep getting knocked down and you just keep
getting up for more. FIRE!....HibiscusFIRE!
I'm not sure ignorance should be praised.
Not until there's more reason to believe in Jesus than there is to believe in monsters in my mashed potato, no. I won't accept them into my heart either. My stomach maybe.I really don't believe anybody's gonna come forward and accept Jesus into
their hearts on this thread.
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I think I'll give it a go. Chat about being made to grow up in a cult, and add in my thoughts on other religions in my blunt way. I think there have been many books that put things across nicely, but that doesn't work with everyone. Sometimes being more blunt works better with some, or if not it's the good cop/bad cop routine I'm helping out with.
I should start it off with something like-
Chapter One- Satan Made Me Write This
Satan is making me write this. His dirty paws are all over this book. Honestly. A big invisible dragon (wearing a crown) loose on the Earth has influenced me to write this 'evil apostate' material. If left on your bookshelf it could bring the demons right to you. It's a scary thought. For that reason, many people will immediately hurl this book into the nearest fire. I don't mind that too much, as this copy has already been paid for. But it would be nice if people could keep their fear in check for one brief moment in their life and read what I have to say...
More people should give this a try, there are many interesting stories and perspectives we could share with each other, and the JWs too if any are brave enough to read the Satanic propoganda!
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
Most of the time you provide reasons you think the way you do, and I show that they aren't good reasons. That isn't hateful. It's defending reality and showing that your arguments aren't convincing.
You can say I'm bashing your beliefs if you like. In a way I suppose I am, because you are bashing reality.
When you say things like 'Oh so we all came from monkeys... riiiight...' I may find that offensive. Saying Adam was the first man, and he was made 6,000 years ago may be insulting my intelligence too. It works both ways.
I don't get all up in arms about it, but I do respond to it.
It just comes across as if you have to be given the answers, when you need to find your own answers. This is your life afterall, why would you want to be told what to think?
I don't just go 'blah blah' when I reply to your posts, I try to go over each point and give a reason why it fails to be convincing. If it was convincing, I may convert.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
Hibie, I say this in a calm manner. I know the written word can come across differently sometimes, that's why I'm just making sure you know I'm saying the following in a relaxed tone.
There are some things you are mistaken about. Do you hate the Egyptian god Ra? I hate your god about as much as you hate Ra. In other words, I can't possibly hate him because I don't believe in him.
I don't believe in your god or in Jesus for the exact same reasons you don't believe in Ra - there is absolutely no reason to. I am open to the evidence. You have tried to provide some, and people have responded and showed you how it was not evidence. For example, someone writing about a person called Jesus 70 years after he was supposed to be born is not evidence. Having real town names in the story is not evidence that the story really happened.
What you are trying to do is get people to believe he existed. If you do this, you need to be prepared for people refuting your arguments. There have been times in history where we couldn't do this, because if we did we would have been killed. But times have changed, and there is so much scientific data proving the Biblical god does not exist that it needs to be shared. Humanity needs to leave the myths in the past, and move on.
The fact that you seem to be refusing to look at the evidence is disturbing. You lack knowledge of what evolution is. You make the same common mistakes people were making over a hundred years ago about it. A hundred years. This is disgraceful. What is worse is that you want to teach these creationist lies to people you talk to. If I offend you by defending reality, it is something you will have to get used to. You have the right to tell people your beliefs, and if you do I have the right to prove you wrong. It is only fair.
Maybe one day you will be proved right. Maybe all the fossils, bones and dating methods will be proven to be the lies of the invisible dragon on Earth, maybe Jesus will come down out of the clouds like Superman. However, until that day comes to pass, I would prefer to use my brain and look at what is true, rather than what I wish was true.
I don't mind you quoting at times, but you were passing them off as your own words when you should be giving it as a quote (maybe even providing the source). Especially if most of your preaching and answers have to be handed to you on a plate because you don't know the answers yourself. I have researched Christianity in some detail, so it's not that I refuse to look into it. I hear the Christian side most days in fact. In the spirit of fairness, it would be nice if you did the same and looked at things such as evolution, from scientific sites, not creationist ones who distort what scientists are really teaching.
Mockery can play a part in defending reality, and I know I lay it on a bit thick, but the beliefs really are silly to me. A man coming back to life after being dead three days and flying into the sky, hilarious! Maybe the reason so many people believe in it is because the story has been given so much respect by others, and been allowed to spread by Christians preaching to those who can't think of ways to refute the arguments. I find it strange how your god needs defending by you too. I can understand your anger at having people questioning you and not accepting what you're saying, but as you say, if you are right, I will learn all the evidence was wrong and that your god (out of the 2,850 gods on offer) was the correct one, and I will spend an eternity paying for the folly of thinking for myself.
You have given no reason why we should all drop what we're doing and believe in your god, and you refuse to look at the reasons others give to show you have been the victim of where and when you happened to be born in history and that you are wasting the only life we know for certain we have. I say that in all sincerity, and I do not feel angry at you, only at the false beliefs that are holding our species back.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
If this is what the thoughts from your mind are like, PLEASE go back to quoting!
having read through several of the recent threads on gods existence, religious hypochondria and those who simply state that they really dont care i asked myself the question why?.
why do some people have faith and a desire to worship and believe?.
why do some people despise faith and lack any sense of a 'greater' being?.
greendawn:
for me it's the immense complexity of life that seems too good to have come about by chance.
Evolutionists do not teach this- it is a common misconception.
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As for why we believe, I believe childhood indoctrination plays the biggest role. As part of our survival, children know instinctively they need to trust anything a parent says, because it could save their lives. If the parent says "Look both ways before crossing the road", "Don't touch the knives in the kitchen" or "Do not touch that fire!" the child will listen. It protects them from harm.
That trust can be misused when the parent says "Make sure you keep following the religion I teach you about, because if you don't, you will burn forever" (or something like that, depending on the religion). The child instinctively believes the parent. They will believe anything the parent says- which is why we can get the young to believe in Santa and the tooth fairy too.
Later on, as adults, fear can still play a role in a person's decision to hold on to their faith. Fear of death, fear of eternal punishment, fear of life without a constant companion to talk to, fear of disapproval and being disowned, fear of being the odd one out.
If people are given the facts, and learn to think critically, they can overcome this. Without the correct information, this can be hard. As greendawn and others believe evolutionists teach we came about by blind chance, it's no wonder that explanation sounds silly. But this isn't what they teach, and I would ask anyone who thinks they do teach this to research the issue. 'The Blind Watchmaker' video under the documentaries section of alluc.org would be an excellent place to start.
Other times, people want to believe in god when they need to have hope, which is why many people find god when they become ill or a loved one dies. When reality becomes too much for them, religion can be where they retreat for comfort and false hope.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
Some light entertainment:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/90913/1.ashx
I would try and show more sympathy to you, hibie, I would, but it's been two years (at least) since you were told you needed to research what evolution really is, and you still haven't done it. You're relying on the same arguments from over two years ago too. I think you need to change your approach- you may get less mockery and more converts that way.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
Wow...
What a tirade of lies, insults and innuendo against a person you don't know, simply because I provided proof that you've been copying word for word many of the things in your posts. You've been backed into a corner, and your true colours have now come out. You can continue attacking my character if you like, it honestly doesn't bother me, but you are making yourself look like a child with a temper tantrum.
i am interested to know what you know about jesus and what you really think of his teachings.. the bible says there is only one way to heaven.. jesus said: "i am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father but by me.
" (john 14:6) .
the lord jesus was crucified and shed his precious blood to wipe away our sins (revelation 1:5).
It is great that you have found those sites but it still does not mean I am not thinking for myself or I got it from those sites you posted.
I just proved you did. Word for word, pretty much. Anyone can see that.
I am glad that you are indeed paying attention and found those sites for me. I will bookmark it and let you know what else I can tell you about it.
You found it before me.
Maybe you ought to determine if everything I am posting here is on the internet. So tell me what is not on the internet?
You're copying and pasting entire paragraphs. If it was from your own thoughts, it would be in your own words.
Talk to Him and see how you feel.
Hi Jesus, any chance you can give me some reason to believe in you? Thanks.
(How long does it normally take for a reply?)
If God has given you a brain, why don't you use it, instead of letting others speak for you? What a waste.
