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  VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!

  by Blablaman in

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  not long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.

  vote now!.

  http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .

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  digderidoo

  Blablaman ...

  As you make clear 1400 or so congregations have charitable status and so does the Watchtower Society of Britain. If you're asking via your petition question to have all of these to be removed from the Charities register that isn't made clear on your petition question. If on the other hand you're asking to have the Watchtower Society of Britain removed, again that isn't made clear on your petition question.

  Parliament in debating this issue, should it receive 100,000 signatures needs to know to whom the question is refering ... all of the 1400 congregations or the Watchtower Society of Britain? As the religion of Jehovahs Witnesses is not a charitable institution in its own regard. As stated in the Watchtower Society of Britains objectives, their aim is to further the Jehovahs Witnesses who are a Christian religion.

  Sifting through the legal jargon and putting into laymans terms ... the Jehovahs Witness religion (to which your petition question refers) is not a charity but a religion, whereas the 1400 congregations and Watchtower Society of Britain are charities on the register (to which your petition question does not refer). Hence Parliament cannot revoke the charitable status of the Jehovahs Witnesses, as they have never had one in the first place.
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  VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!

  by Blablaman in

  1. jw
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  not long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.

  vote now!.

  http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .

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  digderidoo

  Is this what you're looking for?

  www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends61/0001077961_AC_20100831_E_C.PDF
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  VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!

  by Blablaman in

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  2. friends

  not long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.

  vote now!.

  http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .

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  digderidoo

  Further, who exactly do you want charity status revoking?

  The fact of the matter is 'Jehovahs Witnesses' do not have charitable status as per the petition question. I'm assuming you're refering to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, who according to the Charity Commission, its aims and objectives are to advance the Jehovahs Witness religion. They print, publish and organise the religion itself, so it would be difficult to prove the public benefit (or lack of) argument, due to the fact that they can distance themselves.

  Further, every single congregation in the UK is a separate charity registered in the Charity Commissions register. So when refering to the term Jehovahs Witnesses to have their charitable status removed, you have to make clear who exactly you're talking about with this petition question.

  The whole petition question is flawed, from the wrong legislation applied, to the wrong wording of who you want removing, as 'Jehovahs Witnesses' do not have charitable status in the UK. It would be thrown out in a Parliamentary debate on this basis alone, before any real discussion took place.
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  VOTE TO REVOKE UK CHARITY STATUS OF JW CHARITIES! URGENT!

  by Blablaman in

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  not long left... closes 20/02/2013 @ 08:01am.

  vote now!.

  http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29949 .

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  digderidoo

  The public benefit requirement under the Charities Act 2006 has been amended by the Charities Act 2011 and came into force in March 2012.

  Though it covers same requirement ground your petition question is flawed.

  Should this reach 100,000 signatures it would be thrown out in the first instance as the 2006 Act doesn't apply. Even though it would be clear a mistake has been made and the wrong legislation refered to in the petition question, Parliament like any other legislature processes on correct wording for questions like these and wouldn't make the necessary changes themselves to the wording of the petition question to take into account the mistake of wrong legislation being used.

  Further, I would have thought an appeal to the Charities Commission under s46, Charities Act 2011 would be more applicable, as under s15(1) Parliament has given the Charity Comission the power to decide who qualifies under the 'public benefit' function. Therefore even a successful petition question using the correct Act of 2011 would mean that Parliament on debating the issue would delegate the repsonsibility to the Charities Commission as they already have done.

  Just my two pennys worth.
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  HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.

  asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..

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  digderidoo

  I have suffered for many years because of the religion. I'm not prepared to post my story on this thread as it would derail it, but a small look through my posts will show.

  Yet because I have suffered, like others, does not mean that I'm not going to acknowledge where I see the society acting in a correct manner. For many years they have evaded the issue of admitting their mistakes with regards to dates and for many years I have had issues with the whole generation affair. This statement I welcome as part of my healing process... sorry if that offends.
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  HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.

  asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..

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  digderidoo

  Is what all it takes?

  What does the fact that I respect a statement whereby they admit they were wrong in the past mean to you?
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  HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.

  asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..

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  digderidoo

  Just read it. I actually respect the fact they have written that.
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  HELP! I've stepped in it now... mast head change - JW response!

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he's asking if i've read the first page of the new watchtower.. says page 8 admits and exposes the society's mistaken expectations.. says that both mags have been adjusted to reflect the understanding of generation.

  asking if it is my position that witnesses have made claims to be inspired prophets.... and saying if it is, maybe *we* can consider together some examples in the bible of others who have had wrong expectations and have gone ahead of god's timetable and see how god handled that..

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  digderidoo

  Which Watchtower admits this? I haven't been around here for a while so missed something.
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  SAD news about OOMPA......

  by redredrose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  our friend, oompa, has passed away.

  just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.

  it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.

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  digderidoo

  I've just googled him. Don't come on here anymore really and deleted all the ex jws from my facebook a couple of years ago (for my own sanity), so this is news to me.

  Eric had some kind words for me when I was battling my demons with alcohol and ex jw related ones, we spoke on a number of occasions about alcoholism. He seemed torn with the JW issues, but always would appear upbeat and I always thought one day he would get through it all and come out stronger the other side. Then of course was his accident which must have been devastating, but I always thought he'd pull through.

  It's always so sad to see these things. This guy had a big heart and underneath those demons he struggled with was a good man, anyone could see that.

  I feel so sad, it's such a waste.
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  SAD news about OOMPA......

  by redredrose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  our friend, oompa, has passed away.

  just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.

  it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.

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  digderidoo

  Very sad. RIP Eric