Posts by PrimateDave

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My Critical Analysis of Life how did it get here book

by ForbiddenFruit in

hi guys, i know this has been done many times before, but i'm doing it so i can send this out to family and friends who are still in, so i can hopefully open their eyes.

i'll update it regularly.

i am far from an expert on the subject, but i will do my best :).

PrimateDave

Copernic, I'm going to try a web site copier.

http://www.httrack.com/

It is supposed to create a fully linked copy of a web site on a hard drive. It is currently in progress, so I haven't any results to report on yet.

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My Critical Analysis of Life how did it get here book

by ForbiddenFruit in

hi guys, i know this has been done many times before, but i'm doing it so i can send this out to family and friends who are still in, so i can hopefully open their eyes.

i'll update it regularly.

i am far from an expert on the subject, but i will do my best :).

DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

i have just started working my way through the new publication the origin of life 5 questions worth asking.

it is completely appalling.

it is at the very most six grade level and just the first references i verified (which most dubs dont do) have been taken out of context, are completely misquoted or in the example of using the encyclopedia britannica a dated version is used rather than the most recent one, to align with what they want to write, rather than aligned with the newest research.. .

PrimateDave

This brochure attempts to put the science behind the theory of evolution on the defensive. Really, though, the science doesn't need defending. It may need explaining in a way that even a lay person can understand at times.

What I am tempted to do with this brochure is put the WTS on the defensive by attacking their journalistic integrity, line by line. What Designer Stubble posted above is a prime example of what I'm talking about.

An in depth analysis of this shouldn't degrade into a arguments about theism/atheism, the Bible/Christianity, or even Evolution/ID. It's about the fact that they lie. The WTS calls what they have "The Truth," and yet they lie. Once that fundamental fact is established, nothing else they write has any authority.

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what is best to use to help my kids out? What does a teenager need to hear?

by Aussie Oz in

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now that i have secured more time with my children and i have established my interest in the religious side of their lives i wonder what is best next.. what sort of material is best to use to get them thinking?

i want to get them thinking.. what sort of real truths matter to teens in the jws these days?.

i know that they dont beleive everything, such as shunning and that worldly people are all bad.

PrimateDave

Your unconditional love. That's something the Witnesses can't offer.

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What I don't get is how JWs can't see how their ideas paint God to be a terrorist

by gubberningbody in

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me - "whatcha doin?".

jw - "preaching to "save lives"?".

me - "who's gonna do the killing?".

PrimateDave

The JW god throws the baby out with the bath water.

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Book: Who Wrote The Bible - Have you read it?

by mentallyfree31 in

i started reading the book "who wrote the bible" by richard elliot friedman this week.

i'm a little over halfway through it today, and have found it to be quite informative and enlightening.

with every page i read, i realize again what a tiny jw bubble i have spent my life inside.. have you read this book?

PrimateDave

Yes. It is excellent. It really shows how limited JW's so-called scholarship is.

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Length of the Israelites' Egyptian Sojourn: An Unsolvable Bible Error

by John Kesler in

in exodus 12:40-41, we find this very specific statement:.

40 the time that the israelites had lived in egypt was four hundred and thirty years.

41 at the end of four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the companies of yahweh went out from the land of egypt.. the problem is that this is at odds with the genealogy in exodus 6:16-20:.

PrimateDave

I may be incorrect about this, but don't some apologists claim that the "oppression" began with Ishmael teasing Isaac when he was a little kid? Ishmael's mother was Egyptian. Then 215 years later the 70 descendants of Abraham entered Egypt. Another 215 years later, four generations to be precise, "all the companies of Yahweh went out from the land of Egypt," all 600,000 men, 22,000 Levites, and an unspecified number of women, children, and elderly, along with millions of animals. Yes, each one of those Israelite women would have been giving birth to scores of healthy babies in her lifetime to achieve that kind of population increase, especially in the face of attempted genocide by the Egyptians. Moses' family must have been a glaring exception to have so few children.

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Length of the Israelites' Egyptian Sojourn: An Unsolvable Bible Error

by John Kesler in

in exodus 12:40-41, we find this very specific statement:.

40 the time that the israelites had lived in egypt was four hundred and thirty years.

41 at the end of four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the companies of yahweh went out from the land of egypt.. the problem is that this is at odds with the genealogy in exodus 6:16-20:.

PrimateDave

And yet, people still believe in the Bible.

The inaccuracy of Witness chronology with regards to the date 607 BCE doesn't seem to phase millions of Jehovah's Witnesses either. Apparently, humans are not necessarily rational beings.

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." - Simon and Garfunkel

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Disfellowshipping - But You KNEW About It Before You Were Baptized!

by Georgiegirl in

started a new topic b/c i didn't want to threadjack another ongoing pointless debate.

:) (isn't it interesting how the apologists all come out around dc time?).

i have seen that statement made over and over again by jws about disfellowshipping.

PrimateDave

I agree with George. At 14 it was expected that I would get baptized. There was no choice involved. I went along with what my parents wanted me to do.

Of course, the mind control of the WTS allows for no viable alternatives to their narrow world view. JW parents are taught to think that getting their children into the organization is a matter of life and death. "Disfellowshipping" is just a "loving" way to get those who stray back on the course to "life," or so they think.

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Would you still be a JW, if you had to Tithe?

by moshe in

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the next new light from the f&ds could be the tithe for jw's.

it's a logical corporate decision , needed to replace the lost income stream from the publishing side of the wt business.

they know that the kh has many inactive slugs who don't contribute any $$ to the business, so this would be the best way to milk $$ from the inactive ones.

PrimateDave

Riding around with Witness family today, we passed the largest Baptist church in town. Somebody remarked that one can't become a member of that church until they disclose their finances. Of course, they all thought that was an awful idea. I said that it is how that church gets its ten percent tithe. Yes, only big, bad Christendom gets involved with the finances of its members. If the WTS ever tried compulsory "donations", I would have a field day with that.