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  Know what makes me terribly sad about some on these forums?

  by Derrick in

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  i find something very distressing not to mention terribly sad about some of you people (and to those who are not one of these people i kindly ask to please don't fly into some "i'm so insulted!

  " snit as if i'm wrongfully referring to you).

  to those people i'm referring to i say: you rightfully hope for the british and u.s. military to destroy that saddam monster and its minions of mass-murdering/worshippers throughout iraq.

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  dedalus

  ROFLMAO

  I can't take credit for discovering the invisible pink unicorn -- I think it was funkyderek or someone else on this site who brought Lulu to me. But I've been a loyal follower ever since.

  Dedalus
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  Had Enough - Really Going This Time

  by Stephanus in

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  okay, i tried, but i'm just not enjoying this place the way i once did.

  my excuse for hanging around is gone, and it has been left in capable hands (whatever that means!

  )

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  dedalus

  Making announcement that you are leaving is unneccessary.

  I ditto too.

  Dedalus
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  ?What kind of music really touches your heart?

  by azaria in

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  be still and know that he is god.

  be still and know that he is god.

  be still and know that he is god.

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  What kind of music really touches your heart?

  Okay, so this is the sort of sentimentally phrased question I usually can't respond to without feeling foolish. But, if we're talking about music that resonates on some deeper (spiritual?) level, I have to admit that there are some songs that send shivers up and down this cynical atheist's spine (in a good way). One is "Hallelujah," by Leonard Cohen, which, unfortunately, most people will know from the movie Shrek. Oh well.

  Now I've heard there was a secret chord
  That David played, and it pleased the Lord
  But you don't really care for music, do you?
  It goes like this
  The fourth, the fifth
  The minor fall, the major lift
  The baffled king composing Hallelujah

  Hallelujah
  Hallelujah
  Hallelujah
  Hallelujah

  Your faith was strong but you needed proof
  You saw her bathing on the roof
  Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew her
  She tied you
  To a kitchen chair
  She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
  And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah

  Hallelujah, Hallelujah
  Hallelujah, Hallelujah
  You say I took the name in vain
  I don't even know the name
  But if I did, well really, what's it to you?
  There's a blaze of light
  In every word
  It doesn't matter which you heard
  The holy or the broken Hallelujah

  Hallelujah, Hallelujah
  Hallelujah, Hallelujah

  I did my best, it wasn't much
  I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
  I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
  And even though
  It all went wrong
  I'll stand before the Lord of Song
  With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah

  It's complex and painful and mysterious, as all matters of faith must be.

  Dedalus
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  Know what makes me terribly sad about some on these forums?

  by Derrick in

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  i find something very distressing not to mention terribly sad about some of you people (and to those who are not one of these people i kindly ask to please don't fly into some "i'm so insulted!

  " snit as if i'm wrongfully referring to you).

  to those people i'm referring to i say: you rightfully hope for the british and u.s. military to destroy that saddam monster and its minions of mass-murdering/worshippers throughout iraq.

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  Jehovah, if he exists, is an immoral, spineless wimp. All that omniscience, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence, and he hasn't lifted a solitary pinky to help out with the suffering of innocent, good people. Even if he wipes out all of the evil people tomorrow, it'll be too little, too late. But, of course, tomorrow with be another humdrum day, with the same stuff, good and bad, as always, and champions of Christianity will continue their vain attempts to reconcile the pain and suffering of the world with a god who self-contradicts himself out of existence.

  Dedalus (who is waiting for the second coming of Lulu, the invisible pink unicorn, who is the real savior of humankind)
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  Ground Zero

  by Amazing in

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  i recently traveled to new york city, but was not there to focus attention on the watchtower.

  rather, ground zero was on my agenda, and i was not disappointed, though i discovered a few surprises.

  i have been in the twin towers (wtc) several times, and have pictures of the view, including the watchtower buildings across the east river.

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  I hear you, Soledad. I didn't get the impression that Amazing was there for vicarious thrills, though.

  A lot of "tourist attractions" are graves of some sort or another. I guess it's human nature to be curious about history and all of its morbid monuments and ruins. Doesn't necessarily make that curiousity shallow or disrespectful, though.

  Dedalus
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  A Letter from someone who was there...

  by joannadandy in

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  the following is a letter i recieved in e-mail.

  i want to share it because it is from someone i have had the pleasure of hearing lecture while in school (he is a friend of one of my professors), dr. david hilfiker, (very reputable, please feel free to do a search of his work here is one of many links i can offer

  http://www.villagelife.org/news/archives/hilfiker.html

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  You dont? Well now that would be a first!

  LOL! I deserve that, for sure.

  Dedalus
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  Ground Zero

  by Amazing in

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  i recently traveled to new york city, but was not there to focus attention on the watchtower.

  rather, ground zero was on my agenda, and i was not disappointed, though i discovered a few surprises.

  i have been in the twin towers (wtc) several times, and have pictures of the view, including the watchtower buildings across the east river.

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  Nice post -- thanks for sharing.

  forgot to even look at the Watchtower headquarters as I crossed into Brooklyn ... somehow, the serious issues of real life made me forget the old fantasies of the JW religion

  I especially like this part. I'm sure the world is more frightening through non-JW eyes ... but at least it is real.

  Dedalus
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  A Letter from someone who was there...

  by joannadandy in

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  the following is a letter i recieved in e-mail.

  i want to share it because it is from someone i have had the pleasure of hearing lecture while in school (he is a friend of one of my professors), dr. david hilfiker, (very reputable, please feel free to do a search of his work here is one of many links i can offer

  http://www.villagelife.org/news/archives/hilfiker.html

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  dedalus

  Tell me what other option we have? We can bitch and moan all we like but that wont change a thing. The only thing to do is support the troops that are over there and wish them well, and hope that Dubya knows something that we dont.

  What you call "bitch and moan" is a negative euphemism for exercising free speech as a way of maintaining one's integrity, even if nothing changes. If everyone falls in place and recites the party line, we're nothing but a nation of drones. What makes America special is the right of each citizen to openly disagree with what America does (this, sadly, is sometimes more an ideal than a reality). I find it absolutely dumbfounding that some people call into question that right by suggesting that everyone should shut up and mimic the administration's rhetoric without so much as an arched eyebrow.

  Naturally, you have a right to express your own views, pr capone, and all of that. Just realize that your view insinuates that others should rescind their right of expression. If you don't find that even a little disturbing, I don't know what to say.

  Dedalus
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  I RENOUNCE MY ASSOCIATION WITH JWS

  by REALNESS in

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  it is my pleasure to announce i have terminated my membership of the jehovahs wittnesses.

  i shall be formally making this statement known to my congregation at tomorrow nights meeting after i have taken the ministry school.

  for many years i have developed my own thoughts on religion and this along with the information i have learned here and on other sites has convinced me that i can no longer live teaching the bollocks the wtbs.

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  its funny how i have consistantly noticed that most apostates only focus on technicalities.

  You like spending time with apostates, I guess. Could it be they're more interesting than your "like-minded" fellow worshippers? Or are you just counting time? Either way, I don't mind. The Organization, on the other hand ...

  yes... i do post on this site. but no since i am not an apostate, and i am in Jehovahs Organization Im not against him and his teachings.

  Can someone untangle the second sentence here? I use the word "sentence" loosely. Just trying to figure out Troof's justification for willfully interacting with apostates when the Organization he defends prohibits it.

  again i will mention that the people inside WTBS are not perfect. so of course they will say things that are not correct at times and untill we are in the new system of things no one will be able to run things perfectly. yet WTBS are the closest to the truth. thats why they back everything with the bible.

  Repeating yourself doesn't make you correct.

  Dedalus
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  Questions Directed Towards: YOU (ex-JW)

  by RAYZORBLADE in

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  i thought i'd give this a go, lighten up the forum a little.

  just curious, about a few things regarding all of us who participate on here.

  i have some questions, of which i will answer also.

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  dedalus

  1. How long were you a Jehovah's Witness?

  Age 2 through 24, with a brief interruption at 18-19.

  2. Were you raised in it or become a JW later on in life?

  Raised.

  3. Were you contacted via the door-to-door ministry?

  Parents converted as a result of ministry.

  4. Initially, what intrigued or drew you to the Jehovah's Witnesses then?

  Nothing, absolutely nothing.

  5. When were you baptized? Or if you weren't, mention that if you wish.

  Baptised at 13.

  6. When did you start having doubts?

  When I was five.

  7. What else perhaps contributed to your leaving?

  The belief that all non-Witnesses would die horribly at Armageddon.

  8. When were you disfellowshipped/disassociated?

  About two months ago -- disassociated. Had been inactive for about three years before that.

  9. Have you ever been reinstated?

  No. Privately reproved.

  10. Did you attempt to contact or have spoken with other active-JWs when you were DF/DA'd?

  None with whom I care to have contact.

  11. Have you ever protested/picketted a JW assembly/convention?

  No.

  12. Do you miss being a Jehovah's Witness?

  No.

  13. Do you still have family that are active JWs?

  Yes.

  14. Do you believe in god/God etc.?

  No.

  15. Are you politically active or have voted?

  Yes.

  16. Would you say you have become more tolerant or open-minded generally speaking since you left?

  I would say I've been more free to act on the open-mindedness I'd had as a Witness.

  17. Do you think that the WTBTS will crumble?

  No.

  18. If you could say anything to the WTBTS and be listened to, what would you like to say?

  Halt the disfellowshipping/shunning process.

  19. What has helped you to cope, post-JW?

  My wife, also an ex-dub.

  20. Anything else you'd like to say/add?

  No.