Posts by AudeSapere

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Need Help - Parent in ICU

by AudeSapere in

df parent is in hospital icu and surgeon wants to give blood.

parent is df for almost 20 and firmly refused blood for personal reasons (spiritual).. .

my concern is that parent is taking strong stand based on outdated jw gb hlc guidelines.

AudeSapere

jg - Point well-taken.

Cofty - wow. Nice.

Does anyone remember and have link to the thread that spoke to the 'symbol' being less critical than the real thing? I remember an anology about a married couple with rings on the nightstand. Fire breaks out in the house and the husband rushes to save the rings - symbol of their life, love and commitment - but leaves the wife to die in the fire. He placed greater value on the symbol than the living, breathing wife lying next to him.

Sound familiar to anyone? Help me fine-tune the metaphore?? I thought it was brilliant when I first heard it and it helped me change my heart on the blood issue - LONG after I walked way from the KH.

-Aude.

PS: Huge thank you to the poster who phoned me this afternoon. I will share bit of our conversation with parent tonight.

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Need Help - Parent in ICU

by AudeSapere in

df parent is in hospital icu and surgeon wants to give blood.

parent is df for almost 20 and firmly refused blood for personal reasons (spiritual).. .

my concern is that parent is taking strong stand based on outdated jw gb hlc guidelines.

AudeSapere

Lost wrote: Your parent is in an awful predicament. and stress is the worst thing for depression. When your at that low point, when dying is easier, there is no strength to fight to live. If you put to much pressure on, parent may shut down. be careful.

Yes. Your assessment is exactly right. It is why I am angry with surgeon for creating drama when a calm discussion is yeilding better results.

Thank you again.

-Aude.

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Need Help - Parent in ICU

by AudeSapere in

df parent is in hospital icu and surgeon wants to give blood.

parent is df for almost 20 and firmly refused blood for personal reasons (spiritual).. .

my concern is that parent is taking strong stand based on outdated jw gb hlc guidelines.

AudeSapere

@Finkelstein - Got it. And I agree with you. Have already had open discussions with this parent. However, now the rubber meets the road and our discussions are not complete but parent needs to make decision and I no have time or access to sort thru so much data for the specifics. If you can help with links to specific threads that you think made 'ah ha!' points, please share them.

@Shirley - there are multiple siblings, each with own view including active, devote JW. Fortunately, we all agree that each must make their own decisions and then deal with their own consequences - whatever that may be.

@lost - OMFG. Glad your story had a happier ending rather than the tragedy that could have been.

@Happy@last, crazyguy and justia - Thank you. Some good points (apple pie, mercy no sacrifice, flip-flops). I will reference.

Ever grateful for the support and understanding here.

-Aude.

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Need Help - Parent in ICU

by AudeSapere in

df parent is in hospital icu and surgeon wants to give blood.

parent is df for almost 20 and firmly refused blood for personal reasons (spiritual).. .

my concern is that parent is taking strong stand based on outdated jw gb hlc guidelines.

AudeSapere

Did not mean to just single out just Cofty, but those quickly caught my eye.

Jg and Rebel - Also very help, thank you. I did look at ajwrb yesterday but too much info to wade thru with limited internet access at hosp.

The California 'Springs Fire' started in my neighborhood so I am dealing with that, respiratory issues at home and parent in hospital and no internet so really REALLY appreciate the links and succinct 'conceptual' talking/thinking points to share with parent.

In pm, one poster gave me this link from 2005: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/journal-church-state-wt-no-blood-expose

The above link discusses 'Jehovahs Witnesses Blood Transfusions and the Tort of Misreprehension'.

Does anyone have the full article of a link to it?

@Skeeter (and others suggesting that the surgeon do some reading) - not going to happen. I am dealing with dismissive, arrogant, and now defensive Cardio-Thorasic surgeon. Cannot say more, but I have delicate balance and trying to logically provide balanced and updated info on current WT allowance of fractions to parent so that I confident that parent is making an informed consent not based on emotion, guilt, fear or out-dated cult directives and sanctions. [surgeon is trying to bully into submission and that bullying triggers the martyr response. Surgeon flat out refuses to discuss, let alone research.]

Although, I might be able to leave him (or the other doctor) a copy of the Kerry Lauderbock article from 2005, if someone can email it to me or provide link.

Thanks again for all the help.

-Aude.

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Need Help - Parent in ICU

by AudeSapere in

df parent is in hospital icu and surgeon wants to give blood.

parent is df for almost 20 and firmly refused blood for personal reasons (spiritual).. .

my concern is that parent is taking strong stand based on outdated jw gb hlc guidelines.

AudeSapere

Thank you for your thoughtful responses. For a variety of reasons I don't want to address each response separately - out of respect for my parent.

20 years since DF'g with an aging guilt-laden, depressed person in pain and just out of surgery is complicated. Parent is mostly JW apologist but I softening the stance thru gentle and logical discussion.

Cofty's comments, I will share this with parent:

Is it worth trying to reason with parent that the prohibition on blood is based on a simple misunderstanding?, Did that w/ good success.

It was fine to eat unbled meat as long as the animal had not been killed - if it was found "already dead". Lev 11:38,39 Good to note.

Blood only had significance if a life had been taken therefore it does not apply to transusions. Excellent point. Must remember this.

I wish you well. Thank you

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Need Help - Parent in ICU

by AudeSapere in

df parent is in hospital icu and surgeon wants to give blood.

parent is df for almost 20 and firmly refused blood for personal reasons (spiritual).. .

my concern is that parent is taking strong stand based on outdated jw gb hlc guidelines.

AudeSapere

DF parent is in hospital ICU and surgeon wants to give blood. Parent is df for almost 20 and firmly refused blood for personal reasons (spiritual).

My concern is that parent is taking strong stand based on outdated JW GB HLC guidelines. parent was not aware of "fractions" being allowed. Parent suffers from chronic pain and severe depression but lately has reengaged in life and has shown interest in doing fun but simple things. I do not believe that this parent is ready to die.

I am hospital with very limited internet access and hoping some of you can provide simple, non-emotional advice and encouragement for me to share with parent. Brief synopsis of increasing permissiveness of blood for jws can help.

Calm and thoughtful former elders, ministerial servants and HLC people i absolutely welcome your comments and if you are willing to talk to on phone please pm me.

Aude.

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New Video On Youtube About Shunning

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2hsoolwac4.

AudeSapere

Can someone make a clickable link please?

-Aude.

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Governing body member engaged... Again!

by OneDayillBeFree in

just found out that the australian governong body member known as geoffrey jackson got engaged to a sister about two weeks ago.

it really shocked me at first but then i remembered how other members of the gb have remarried in the past like daniel sidlik.

what made me say "woah" was hearing that the holy bride to be is really young!

AudeSapere

He's only 57? Looks much older to me.

Have they gotten married yet?

-Aude.

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If Someone Goes To The Memorial It's A Huge Deal! Do You Know Why???

by minimus in

jw
friends

i believe that if a non regular meeting attender shows up for at least the memorial "celebration", it's a sign, that possibly, the person is saveable.

not all hope is lost for them.. i heard that last year, the rumour was that i was going to show up and sit with my mother....(of course, that never happened).. so, if you attended or if your family member or wayward friend showed up, they might have a chance for everlasting (earthly) life, after all!.

AudeSapere

Amnesian - So nicely put. Never heard it put so clearly.

I absolutely agree with your POV.

-AudeSapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)

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Need help here

by FingersCrossed in

i have someone sent me the clarification about the 607 date by the wts.

don't want to post it here to avoid suspicions (from the sender).

i can email to you or pm and see how valid that is.. any takers?.

AudeSapere

FingersCrossed -

I don't understand the purpose of this thread. Are you looking to get information or are you looking to share it?

If you are looking to share it, are you offering to send it someone via pm so they can re-post it as if it came from them and not you?

-Aude.