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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  You have so far produced zero---zip.

  You are completely right. I have made a complete ass out of myself.
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  Why the obvious strawman YK? Comment on the words of his wife in their own newspaper of which Lyndon is the responsible editor. Please explain what scheinheiliger Holocaust-schwindel means in your book.

  Why this man would hire a convicted Klan-leader is of course sheer circumstancial info. Since it is documented in a court case it means you can't dismiss it as lies. However, you can downgrade it's importance and that's what your're doing very aptly. I don't mind, anyone still following this discussion is able to value this information for what it's worth.

  The documented relation with a Nazi-magazine published by someone with bloodlinks to the SS (and not just 'some' SS, better look his daddy up) is also total circumstancial. Via this magazine and its editor all the persons and institutions mentioned before come in the picture: Carto, Zundel, McCalden, IHR, and Liberty Lobby. Not to mention David Irving, the Spotlight-magazine, Farrakhan and the NOI.

  You however said that this man a) never said or supported anything related to holocaust-denial; b) has no relations at all which any of the exremist groups, and dismissed it repeatedly as 'blantant' [sic] lies. I showed you three documented instances that prove that either you are willfully blind or a willfull liar.

  The latter has been voiced here more than once, albeit not by me. Is there really a pattern of lies YK? Or do you rationalize it all away by the good old 'theocratic warfare' hobbyhorse? Or maybe am I not entitled to the truth?
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  Let's see how much smoke there is and let you decide about the fire. You'd better brush up your German though.

  "Während in den USA niemand auch nur die geringsten Illusionen über die Macht der zionistischen Lobby über vor allem die gegenwärtige Administration hegt, ist der Einfluß einer verdeckter operierenden zionistischen Lobby in der Bundesrepublik bisher nur wenigen eingeweihten politischen Persönlichkeiten bekannt, nicht aber der bretien Bevölkerung. Und deshalb müssen wir den scheinheiligen Holocaust-Schwindel zum Anlaß nehmen, um diese ausländischen Agenten auffliegen zu lassen."

  Helga Zepp-Larouche in der "Neuen Solidaritaet" 25.1.79.

  scheinheiligen Holocaust-Schwindel = hypocritic Holocaust-fraud

  The magazine CODE - Conföderation organisch denkender Europäer published by Ekkehard Franke-Griksch, son of an SS-Standartenführer Alfred Franke-Gricksch, through Diagnosen-Verlag, Leonberg, functioned as mouthpiece for Helga Zepp-Larouches "Bürgerrechtsbewegung Solidarität" (see: Handbuch deutscher Rechtsextremismus, by Jens Mecklenburg, page 224). CODE is a direct supporter of Zundel, Irving, Carto, IHR, Spotlight etc. (as documented by Deborah E. Lipstadt).

  From the following court sentence it becomes apparant that a certain Roy Frankhauser was employed by Lyndon Larouche during his presidential campaign of 1984:

  Frankhauser, who worked as a security consultant to the 1984 Lyndon LaRouche presidential campaign and related organizations, learned that a grand jury was investigating the organizations and several of their members for defrauding credit card holders by making unauthorized charges to their accounts, and that subpoenas had been served on depository banks for processed credit card slips.

  . http://www.law.emory.edu/1circuit/apr96/95-1560.01a.html

  Who is Roy Frankhauser? A 'two-time felon lately of the United Klans of America. Among Frankhauser's convictions was one involving explosives in connection with a school bus bombing in Pontiac, Mich.' Frankhause became active for LaRouche in 1975, according to Nazis, Communists, Klansmen and Others on the Fringe, by John George and Laird Wilcox, p. 285-290. It is an interesting clue that last year the 'White Aryan Resistance' issued a warning to its audience about Frankhauser. http://www.resist.com/updates/5.28.00aryanupdate.htm

  For now, I couldn't find "the Holocaust never happened" quotable directly from LaRouche himself. His wife did, and sources state that she in fact only has a representative function in the Larouche org, especially in Germany since she is native German. The above is ample indication for me that the allegations about racism, holocaust denial and being involved with the Klan have their foundation.
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  It seems that you, though, would rather just pretend to be a thinker, but instead seem only interested in poisioning others minds to new ideas rather than actually honestly consider what LaRouche puts forth about the system being on the verge of collapse. That's not using your brain. That's just stupidity.

  You can call me stupid as much as you want. You can call LaRouche's views on economy 'new ideas'. But in all the years that you've been consuming the intellectual secrete of mr. Larouche, you apparently never stumbled on a couple of names such as Willis Carto, Ernst Zundel, David McCalden (alias Lewis Brandon), or organisations such as the IHR, the KKK and the Liberty Lobby. Well it took me less than a day to get these topside in relation to L. Not trustworthy? Yeah sure...

  Well as it so happens these names *DO* raise a couple of red flags for me. All these are intimately related to the field of Holocaust-denial, white-supremacists, or just plain racism, some in its own specialized anti-Semitic form. Read Michael Shermer's "Why do people believe weird things" for an interesting treatise on Holocaust-denial an historical revisionism.

  Anyone related to that bunch is SUSPECT in my book. There's an old saying about smoke and fire which I adhere to. Does that disqualify me as a thinker? Perhaps, but I like to think of it as being pragmatic. Of course I should discern that someones ethnic sympathies not necesarily interfere with his economic views. Just as I shouldn't trust second-hand car salesmen in selling me a car (for that matter, I don't even trust new car salesmen), I'd be totally sane to let him invest my private savings into this stock trading business he does on the side. [8>]

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  I pretend to think, therefore I pretend to exist.
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  Besides, they give media time to all sorts of goofballs and degenerates. Look at the Govenor of Minnesota, Ventura. He was a smack down wrestler for crying out loud. Yet they had no problem sticking a microphone in front of him. LOL In fact the more degenerate someone is the more the media makes him a celebrity.

  Sigh... now what does the above statement tell us about YK? It proves that he is indeed intellectually shitlazy.

  Had he used a simple searchengine query he would have found out that Jesse Ventura's (actually James Janos) career not only consisted of 'smack down' wrestling. In fact he would have found out that the man was a Navy SEAL for six years, a Vietnam veteran, that he attended college, and that he was mayor of the 6th city in Minnesota for several years before becoming governor. Compare that with YK's selfprojection about Jesse Ventura --- a 'degenerated' wrestler --- used as a sneering defense for a nutters' lack of media attention.

  . http://www.mainserver.state.mn.us/governor/bio___media_kit.html

  Do I pretend that mr. Ventura is an intellectual genius? No. But him being totally discredited by YKs sewer tactics is too much. Besides I loved to see 'the Body' slam down Hulk Hogan...
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  The fact that you haven't heard of Lyndon LaRouche is a story in itself. It is not necessarily a reflection of your ignorance as much as it indicates how absolutely brainwashed the average American is by the media.

  Umm, did it occur to you that I might not be an American? I'm just an average brainwashed European.

  You heard about this LaRouche guy that I referred to and you immediately entered his name into a search engine to dig up the dirt on him. Ahh, you knew you'd find something. Little do you realize that the very establishmentarians that discourage his media coverage at the same time commission their lackeyes to slander and discredit him. So you paste a collection of quotes taken randomly over the years from who knows where and this is supposed to tell the story of LaRouche.

  Well let's have a look at what I really did: I went to the man's own website, found his most recent testimonial, and quoted the very first paragraph. What I quoted in full were his own words and no more. If you looked at any of the links provided you will see all the sources they were taken from. Quite a contrast to 'who knows where' and 'supposed'.

  I specifically omitted quoting negative opinions and only provided links to a number of sources I considered more or less reputable, amongst which the Washington Post was mentioned first. A number of interesting references to L., his spouse, the Schiller institute etc. have been left out since they are in German. Although I can read it it didn't really seem useful for the mostly English audience here.

  But I slowly start to understand your real agenda here. Like your masters in Brooklyn you want to impress your audience with supposedly big names and the rank-and-file member is certainly not supposed to do any research of her own on the 'prepared food' using outside material. Just swallow and digest! Don't even try to use that brain of yours. It's there just to fill up the empty space that would be in your skull otherwise.

  Interesting is this analogy: WT-writ had for years enjoyed and benefited from the fact that dubs are intellectually shitlazy and after years of careful mindcontrol they actually take anything for granted without being skeptical or inquisitive. Since the power of printing press has been rivaled by newer media such as the net and the instruments provided with it, the WT is losing grip by the day. Likewise they don't want their members to make pages about their way of life, about their total beliefsystem, their publications, their actions, and certainly not to use searchengines to dig up dirt.

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  If you dig in a heap of dirt what do you find?
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  Who is Lyndon Larouche?

  by cynicus in

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  in a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, larc said:.

  i think most economists don't even bother, because larouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player.

  there are many critiques of larouch's politics, which are interesting reading.. to be honest i had never heard from this guy before.

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  In a discussion about the looming end of this system as propagated by some poster here, Larc said:

  I think most economists don't even bother, because LaRouch is so far off from reality, a true fringe player. There are many critiques of LaRouch's politics, which are interesting reading.

  To be honest I had never heard from this guy before. Hence I tried to learn some more about him. Please find below some stuff that came up while doing so.

  First, give the man a chance to speak for himself:

  GOD HAS BLESSED ME!

  Since I am the only presently visible person intellectually qualified to be elected President of the U.S.A. in November 2004, it is important that I share my estimate of my personal situation with not only U.S. citizens, but also those of other nations whose fate will be greatly affected by the likely choice of the next U.S. President.

  . http://larouchein2004.net/pages/writings/2001/011026blessed.htm

  His view on 9-11 by his own words:

  What they did is, they set fire to the buildings in Lower Manhattan, and the Pentagon, attacking personnel. ... All the security arrangements which should have been functioning, to prevent this from working, were down. The maneuvers were highly sophisticated. No Arab government, no Arab terrorist organization, could by any means have done it. It could have only been done from inside the United States command. ... Now, what does this imply? This means, on the one hand, we know from the character of the act, it was a coup attempt. What else do we know? What was the purpose of the attack? The purpose of the attack was, get the United States into a Clash of Civilizations war. Now, we know who has this policy. There are three places where this policy exists: the military command of Israel; the Blair government of England; and a lot of financier circles in the United States, typified by Henry Kissinger, Brzezinski, and so forth—many others. There are people inside the U.S. government who share that view. Wolfowitz, the Assistant Secretary of Defense. Armitage, the number two at the State Department. Similar people. Ashcroft is obviously part of this thing.

  . http://www.schillerinstitute.org/dialogue_cultures/lhl_rome_10_16_01.html

  How he sees various governments, and the USA in particular:

  What is at stake at present, is the attempt by an international oligarchy--which is largely centered among the five thieves, that is, the four kingdoms controlled, major kingdoms, controlled by the British monarchy, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand; and the associate member of the British Commonwealth, the United States--to have the oligarchical powers of these combined powers, establish a de facto world dictatorship by methods of terrorism, by methods of intimidation. By using the threat of what remains of military power in the world, to try to intimidate the world into capitulating to this kind of dictatorship. It was very much like the Hitler in the bunker, where George Bush went into the White House as Hitler in the bunker from the beginning; he didn't have to wait all those years to get in the bunker. ...

  This is a fascist movement. The theory of government, in the United States, as typified by the decision of the Supreme Court majority, is fascist. It is the mentality of the Carl Schmitt in Germany, whose influence on law designed the Notverordnungen [emergency decrees] that made Hitler a dictator in Germany. This is their mentality. Their mentality is that of Hegel, who was the first philosopher of fascism in modern Europe, who used the case of the Napoleon model, to write a theory of the state, which was then copied by Carl Schmitt, for Schmitt's doctrine.

  . http://www.larouchespeaks.net/bad_swallbach/bad_swallbach_pt1.htm

  Some quotes, as compiled by the Chicago Lawyer newspaper:

  Judaism is the religion of a caste of subjects of Christianity, entirely molded by ingenious rabbis to fit into the ideological and secular life of Christianity. In short, a selfsustaining Judaism never existed and never could exist. As for Jewish culture otherwise, it is merely the residue left to the Jewish home after everything saleable has been marketed to the Goyim.

  The Beatles had no genuine musical talent, but were a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division (Tavistock) specifications, and promoted in Britain by agencies which are controlled by British intelligence.

  History as it is taught in leading American universities today is a deliberate systematic fraud. History textbooks in our public schools, in particular insofar as they pertain to the American Revolution and the issues leading up to the Civil War, are total frauds.

  Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) are among a handful of leading centers of fascist social engineering research and development throughout the post-war U.S. Other universities of comparable status include Columbia University, Cornell University, University of Pennsylvania, University of Michigan, University of Chicago, University of California at Berkeley, and Leland Stanford University.

  . http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/lhldefd.html

  Now if you've made it this far, it's time to present some of the opposing views, provided that's still necessary. I wont' quote, just read them for yourselves and form your own opinions.

  . http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/larouche/main.htm
  . http://www.protest.net/view.cgi?view=2312
  . http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/nclcmain.html
  . http://www.csj.org/infoserv_groups/grp_political/grp_larouche/grpindex_larouche.htm
  . http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/uncommon-ground/lyndon-larouche.html
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  FELLOWSHIP

  by ricoananas in

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  i've been reading lots of messages in just a few days of logging on to this site and have to say that in the beginning it was bothering me to still be doing the jw thing.

  i dropped out after 25 years, the last 14 as an elder.

  now, however, i'm beginning to realize that the posts have been giving me a feeling of fellowship with many people who have gone/are going through experiences similar to mine, a kind of fellowship that i rarely if ever felt being among other jw's.

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  Hi Rico,

  Over here in Holland we call our anani also ananas.

  Good you found this place!

  naeb: I went in for a 'Ring' review as well. Did you see the IMDB thing? 9.5 score already... http://us.imdb.com/Title?0120737
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  Have you read this book?

  by Eyebrow in

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  about three years ago my future husband suggested i read a book by robert heilein called, job: a comedy of justice".

  i reccommend this book to everyone and anyone that has been in any religion.

  it is quite an amusing, but disturbing story about a minister that keeps being put into different lives.

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  eyebrow: I do recommend most books by Heinlein. One of my favourites is 'Starship Troopers' (and don't mention the movie *PLEASE*). I also like 'Friday' and 'Glory Road' amongst others.

  conflicted: some rumours have it that this Heinlein book made Hubbard start Scientology.
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  How can we know if a spirit world exists?

  by sleepy in

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  the only way we as humans can examine the universe is through our brains.. theres nothing we can do about it.

  all senses and experiences are taken in by or bodies and interpreted in our minds.

  we can not know of anything that our minds can't take in.. for example if we were all blind and no humans had eyes and the part of the brain that interprets vision we would have no concept of seeing or even the existence of light.. this creates a problem, how can we know whether things exist outside of our senses.

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  FYI: The James Randi Educational Foundation has a prize of over 1 million dollars available for the first person who can prove anything 'paranormal' --- the existence of spirits, or other occult business included. The prize hasn't been collected for more than 10 years now.

  http://www.randi.org/research/index.html