i wanted to find out if it was ok to post either picture scans or ocr word scans of the km for all to read from?
not sure about copyright issues, but didn't know.
what about other books?.
I would definitely be interested in the full 2005 CD. I have them from 1993?(I think the date is right, I'll have to check) and wanted to see if they went back and altered anything incriminating. I used to have the floppy disk version, but can't seem to find them now.
truth.seeker
i wanted to find out if it was ok to post either picture scans or ocr word scans of the km for all to read from?
not sure about copyright issues, but didn't know.
what about other books?.
Hello,
I wanted to find out if it was ok to post either picture scans or ocr word scans of the KM for all to read from? Not sure about copyright issues, but didn't know. What about other books?
Thanks,
truth.seeker
hubby has just come back from the service meeting where they have been handed out brand new style blood cards, now called 'advance decision to refuse specified medical treatment' .
it's quite a bit different.
and has the line on it about giving permission to the hospital liason committee to see your notes and medical records.. very scary stuff i think, and i certainly wont be filling one in.. i'm really short of time tonight, but will scan it in, along with the notes that go with it and try and post it some time over the next day or so if someone else doesn't beat me to it!.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with being tagged as a member of the bloodless program. What I have been reading in the newspapers and doing some research, for an upcoming surgery, is that the surgeons are more careful when cutting into you if they know that they can't rely on giving blood to help them out if they are not careful enough. I have spoken with several surgeons both in and out of the bloodless program and they, the ones in the program, seem to be more willing to be very meticulous in their surgeries. I can't say that they are but that they are going to be more precise where and how they cut makes me feel a bit better knowing that the surgeon is going to be more accurate with that scalpel. And I am not against blood transfusions; I’m just going to use it only after everything else has been tried. Religious issues aside, there are some inherent risks with blood transfusion that I consider and weigh. I just wanted to share my thoughts on not throwing a blanket over the whole bloodless program because it has brought out some very good surgeons.
my 2 cents
truth.seeker
what are some good ways a "family head" could study with his family, helping them to see the weak points in watchtower thinking?
i wish to start this somehow, but since "family study" is seen as simply going over some misc.
watchtower publication, i don't see where i can make the headway.
Thanks jgnat for that graphic and reference. I would like to begin a family study where we learn about God and his Son Jesus without misleading references to scriptures. I understand how important it is to study and read God's Word to our family and I think this may be a good starting point.
truth.seeker
jw's now have the january awake!
in hand.
notice that there is no specific date, for the awake!
The mother does look depressed and the son looks like he is dazed. Very strange to put that on the cover. Not sure of what the message that they were attempting to relay, but I think a mother with hope in the Promise made by Jesus and Jehovah would be a bit less solemn knowing that she and her family had the hope of everlasting life.
jmho
truth.seeker
the influences on my life, education decisions, and baptism in 1971
(bold, highlighted added).
how many had a job because they have a degree?
As for me and my family, I will promote my children going to college to be able to support themselves as they keep their spiritual interests in the forefront of their lives. I am reminded of the story that Jesus told about the slaves that were given an amount of money and the wise slave invested it and returned more to his master. And the master rewarded that slave with more over his household. In the same manner, I believe that by being wise with material things that we have been blessed with and making it work for us, is wisdom being put to good use. Cited scripture - Luke 19:11-27
hi all, this post comes from the e-watchman site, when i get the mags, i will post further.. http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=433.
the following is taken from the watchtower of january 15, 2006, page 23 under the heading 'resist the foremost apostate': .
'because of listening to the devil and not rejecting his lies, the first human pair apostatized.
I think that God Jehovah will be bringing a chosen one to go up to the WTS, like in the old testament days, and pronounce judgement against them for misleading the flock and abusing their power. And their hearts will be hardened and they will increase their grip on the flock and then, well...you know how the story goes. (imho)
if you have the december 22, 2005 awake!
you will notice that the circulation is 22,842,000.. i received the january monthly issue of the awake!
yesterday, and noticed that the circulation jumped to 32,412,000. .
I would venture a guess that since the society no longer has a place at the un's library, they are running short of research material.
i was studying with jehovah's witnesses during my college years.
i found that they somehow was able to make me understand many of the meanings from the bible that i had never understood before.
i had a clearer sight of what it was to walk as a christian.
Hello Everyone,
Your kind words of encouragement are a blessing. I really do appreciate the wisdom that has been displayed by all of your comments and suggestions. I will take them to heart and allow them to make me stronger. I wasn't raised as a witness so I have some sense of what it was like before I was baptized. My wife, she was raised with similar experiences I had so I was in awe when I met her and we were married.
I have friends who are still very much a part of the org and when I tested one of them to talk about the things I was feeling, I was flooded with comments like, "oh no, there was some strange apostate typing on your instant messenger". Needless to say I didn't pursue that topic with him. I remember an elder friend of mine who told me that the congregation that I just left had some problems. For instance regarding our publisher record cards for my wife and I, I was told that the secretary had removed them and other inactive publishers from the list of publishers before the arrival of the CO. The secretary was trying to make the congregation reports look good to the CO instead of reporting the truth that people needed some spiritual help and guidance, not dismissal. My elder friend had told him to put back our cards, but later he left that congregation and moved on to another one. It's just like the few good elders, have a hard time finding a good congregation to settle down in. There is just too much hypocrisy. I don't want to stop meeting with fellow Christians but I find it hard to decide who to trust or where to go. I feel like there needs to be a cleansing because the truth has been muddied so much and I know who really is doing these things. But I have to believe that there is a place where the purity of God's Word hasn't been tarnished.
TruthSeeker
i was studying with jehovah's witnesses during my college years.
i found that they somehow was able to make me understand many of the meanings from the bible that i had never understood before.
i had a clearer sight of what it was to walk as a christian.
I was studying with Jehovah's Witnesses during my college years. I found that they somehow was able to make me understand many of the meanings from the bible that I had never understood before. I had a clearer sight of what it was to walk as a Christian. I became very zealous for doing things that the bible instructed me to do and preaching this good news of God's Kingdom to everyone I came into contact with. How joyful I was to tell others about the wonderful things that were in store for them after all of the wickedness was taken away. I met many people who listened and wanted to learn more and some who were a bit skeptical, while some were very belligerent and did not want anything to do with God.
Fast forward several years and I was working my life into something that I would be able to say that I had a clean conscience before my God. I married a wonderful girl who was exactly what I had prayed for. Someone who came from the same background as I did and was not "raised in the truth" as the saying goes for those children who were raised as JW's. Because my father traveled frequently during my childhood years, I was sent to any church that would come and pick us up, or to my parents, take us away for a few hours every Sunday. I went to some very interesting churches and learned some about people and a little bit about God. It was usually the same principles taught just about everywhere I went.
Well times goes by and we have two beautiful children. I am blessed by my God and continue to do the things that I was taught.
The internet is a funny thing. It can open your eyes to some intriguing thoughts or mislead you into some wayward path. Discretion and testing must be used for everything that comes off of the net. Well, it appears that many people have done some digging into the past and not so distant past of that organization’s leadership which I claim to be a part of. Some of the findings showed that the leadership acted in a way that betrayed their teachings. Like when someone says, “Do as I say, not as I do.” This was a bit disheartening. I was taught to accept all things taught as the Truth, without questions, for fear of being disfellowshipped. And yet the bible teaches us to test out everything to see whether or not it comes from God.
A quandary is now present everywhere I turn. Being at the meetings, I know and believe in my heart that I go to learn about God and worship Him and Praise Him with songs and prayers. But I also know that those who are in a leadership position have done things that they have not acknowledged, nor even apologized for. Instead, they have dismissed it as being insignificant. I am having trouble coming to terms with that. Somehow I know that things like this have happened to God’s chosen people of the past and I reason, why should today be any different. The Jehovah’s Witnesses claim to have the “Truth” and I believe that they are the closest to it than others that I have studied. But yet, I know that these are just sinful men who do make mistakes and God will deal with them on his timescale. Why should today’s governing body be any different from the high priests of the ancient Israelites who sinned against God and were punished in due time. I keep telling myself that and that I should be patient but continue my worship.
I have made mistakes and I was taught that I should go before the elders and lay my sins so that the older men who were spiritually wise would pray for me on my behalf as they would have a better standing before Jehovah. I also thought that if anyone should sin, they too should do the same thing. However, it appears that some think or feel that they are above the Law.
Reading through the bible I learned that just because a King was evil did not mean that all of the inhabitants of that kingdom were evil, many still clung to what was good and kept doing good in God’s Eyes. And the opposite was true, if there was a good King, not everyone was practicing ‘good’. So as today when people in the leadership positions of the Jehovah’s Witnesses do sin against God, it does not mean that the entire believers are also doing what is bad. It means that some were drawn out and tempted, but not beyond what they could endure, and failed the test. Jehovah is a loving God who wants people to forget their sinful ways and do what is ‘good’. It’s just that now, I am very carefully testing everything I read and am taught to ensure that it does follow God’s word and does not go against it. I keep in close contact with Jehovah through prayer through Jesus for help in understanding what I hear, read and see. I also pray for patience regarding these bad things and for protection from them for me and my family.
