Ok Cygnus, thanks ( I actually kind of like these crazies that "build on" JW-doctrine, and then their ideas get to crazy for the WTS to swallow, so they DF them. I suspect JCanon was one of these too)
Hellrider
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LOL, You Know got De-efed and has a book!
by Shining One inhttp://www.jehovah-has-become-king.com/ .
i have to thank cygnus for pointing out who this wacko really is.
do any of you remember old you know?
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Blood - A Balanced View??
by Aude_Sapere ini think that rather than being completely anti-blood or completely accepting of doctor's decisions it is much better to remain guarded with regard to blood transfusions.
although i recently rescinded my no blood amd, i want to find a way to document that although i will accept blood, my preference is to first work with plasma expanders and the like.
today a friend of mine died.
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Please tell me they don't have a pic of a tombstone on their website
Yup, it`s in there with the articles on blood, under the "The blood that really saves lives": http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/index.htm
Death-cult, I tell ya, death-cult.
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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Scholar: She asked you a simple question. You are avoiding to answer the question. Answer the question, if you are able. Otherwise, you have no business here.
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Blood - A Balanced View??
by Aude_Sapere ini think that rather than being completely anti-blood or completely accepting of doctor's decisions it is much better to remain guarded with regard to blood transfusions.
although i recently rescinded my no blood amd, i want to find a way to document that although i will accept blood, my preference is to first work with plasma expanders and the like.
today a friend of mine died.
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By the way: Has anyone taken a look at what the JW official website says about blood?
http://www.watchtower.org/library/hb/index.htm
...heres a little from the article:
"We are not being naive in this matter, for we realize that not all will agree with this approach. People differ as to conscience, ethics, and medical outlook. Hence, others, including some doctors, may find it hard to accept a patient's decision to abstain from blood. One New York surgeon wrote: "I will never forget 15 years ago, as a young intern when I stood at the bedside of a Jehovah's Witness who bled to death from a duodenal ulcer. The patient's wishes were respected and no transfusions were given, but I can still remember the tremendous frustration as a physician I felt."
The British Journal of Surgery (October 1986) reported that prior to the advent of transfusions, gastrointestinal hemorrhage had "a mortality rate of only 2.5 per cent." Since transfusions became customary, 'most large studies report a 10-percent mortality.' Why a death rate four times as high? The researchers suggested: "Early blood transfusion appears to reverse the hypercoagulable response to haemorrhage thereby encouraging rebleeding." When the Witness with the bleeding ulcer refused blood, his choice may actually have maximized his prospects for survival.
This same surgeon added: "The passage of time and treating many patients has a tendency to change one's perspective, and today I find the trust between a patient and his physician, and the duty to respect a patient's wishes far more important than the new medical technology which surrounds us. . . . It is interesting that the frustration has now given way to a sense of awe and reverence for that particular patient's steadfast faith." The physician concluded: 'It reminds me that I should always respect a patient's personal and religious wishes regardless of my feelings or the consequences.'
You may already realize something that many physicians come to appreciate with "the passage of time and treating many patients." Even with the best of medical care in the finest of hospitals, at some point people die. With or without blood transfusions, they die. All of us are aging, and life's end is approaching. That is not fatalistic. It is realistic. Dying is a fact of life."
...my concern is this: The people that wrote this article, are not doctors! And the things they say, affect many, many peoples lives, as these people rely more on every word written by the WTS than all the doctors in the world. And that`s pretty...scary, in my opinion..
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LOL, You Know got De-efed and has a book!
by Shining One inhttp://www.jehovah-has-become-king.com/ .
i have to thank cygnus for pointing out who this wacko really is.
do any of you remember old you know?
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I`m still curious as to what is meant by that he was "disfelloswhipped for making this information public". Exactly what information did he make public?
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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Steve2 is right. But it`s just that people like that are so annoying. You know, when you meet someone that is a complete retard, and at the same time not only unable to see that himself, but in the illusion of actually beinig the smartest guy in the world. I bet we`ve all encountered people like that. And it pisses me off. It just builds up inside untill it feels like I`m going to explode. Arghhhhhhhhhhhh
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Scholar, please don't post and run...
by in a new york bethel minute innow, could you do us all a favour and read the replies to your post in the 607 thread?
there were a lot of questions raised by your comment and i think it would be a good witness if you would at least attempt to answer them.
two very important ones are:.
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he would have to be either one of the anonymous "celebrated WT scholars", or a liar.
I think he is. One of the "celebrated WT scholars", I mean. That is probably why he refers to them as "celebrated", because he is referring to his own grandios, fantastic, megalomaniac ego. But to the entire world of real scholars, he is just a joke. I`ll explain this to you once and for all, Scholar, where your "celebrated WT scholars" got it wrong. You see, the WTS has with the 607-claim made a problem out of nothing, and embarassed themselves for nothing.
Had the WTS claimed from the beginning that the "desolation of the land" referred to in Daniel and Jeremiah, referred to Babylons power over Judeah, in the sense of a "spiritual desolation", no worship of the true God (this could very well be a valid interpretation - it`s certainly better than the one you currently got) - due to the reign of Babylon, this could have solved the problem. Babylons power began around 609, and lasted till around 539. That`s close enough to 607 to be acceptable. Noone would have raised an eyebrow at your claim of 1914 then, because the 2520 years would match (the whole "day for a year"-rule is of course another matter, it is completely ridicolous to rip a passage out of Numbers, and apply it to Daniel and Jeremiah - but as I said, thats another matter). The destruction of the Temple is only a detail in all of this, and not very important. Yes, Jerusalem was the center of the power, the Temple held the (oh whats the english word - for the "box with the stuff in it", ha ha) - but the covenant was with the entire jewish people.
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Husbands! Smack your wife across the mouth!
by PopeOfEruke ingreat advice received from a close jw relative who we visited last week.
she said that husbands are the head of the family, and if the wife doesn't support him in serving jehovah then he should give her a good smack across the mouth, thats what she deserves.
if only adam had given eve a good smack across the mouth when she proposed eating the fruit, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now!
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Ha ha! No, it doesn`t sound like her husband does it, and that she said it to justify it. She is probably a very "hard" woman, am I right? My grandmother gave her son, my father, the same advice concerning my mother (an advice he was quick and eager to follow, the bastard). She was a "hard woman", I don`t know what other words to use about her. The thing is, if my grandfather had tried to hit my grandmother, she would have beaten the crap out of him. I have a vivid childhood memory of her running after him outside their house with a frying pan, to hit him in the head (ha ha), after their divorce, when he showed up to pick up his stuff. He might have been a bit upset, of course, that she had sold the car and their business behind his back, which I believe is what instigated the "frying pan"-episode, ha ha! My grandfather always referred to their 40-year-long marriage as "his 40 years in the desert".
Oh lord, deliver me from women like that.
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LOL, You Know got De-efed and has a book!
by Shining One inhttp://www.jehovah-has-become-king.com/ .
i have to thank cygnus for pointing out who this wacko really is.
do any of you remember old you know?
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Ha ha! Thanks.
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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Scholar wrote:
Celebrated WT scholars are not in the business of advocating any Babylonian chronology or any list of regnal years for the currently known Babylonian monarchs or kings. That is the businessof other scholars. Such a project is fraught with danger because biblical chronology proves that there is a twenty year gap when the two chronologies are compared.
Excuse me? Remember THIS thread, Scholar: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/96152/1.ashx
...in which you claim:
The WT publications have informed the scholarly community of a correct, biblical chronology which cannot be refuted by scholars as it based upon a God's Word which is far superior than the opinions and theories of secular scholars.
And this is a fantastic claim, that cannot be be forgotten so soon. If this is the case, please: PROVIDE US WITH THE CHRONOLOGY! Or is it a secret? Unlike your "mystical 20-year gap", secular chronology gives a clear, precise and detailed account of the lengths of reigns for each and every one of the five kings. Your precious WTS are the ones that have created the gap of 20 years by insisting on the 607-date /which was 606 for years before they figured out there was no year 0, ha ha - by insisting that the 70 years refer to a "complete desolation of the land", and not the power and influence of Babylon over Judeah. The word "desolation" can mean so much, and is much easier to explain than the entire list of problems created by the 607-claim. If I was a JW, I could easily have said that "for some 1800 years, the world was spiritually desolated, but then the celebrated C.T. Russel and his Bible students entered the scene bla bla bla", and the meaning of the word "desolated" would be easily understood by all JWs. But this is of course irrelevant, because your WTS had allready decided upon 1914 as the year of Christs return (first in the flesh, of course, then that was changed later on, in the late 30s), as you clearly admit here:
The other useless dates of 587 and 586 have no significance for Christians today as such dates lack prophetic significance, these dates are 'dead-end dates, are of interest to apostates, unbelieving secular scholars and those who are jealous of the spiritual paradise enjoyed by the Witnesses.
So you pretty much admit it yourself: It doesn`t really matter what really happened 2500 years ago, it just matters that we set a date that would agree with your celebrated WTS`s already decided-upon date of 1914.
And that, Scholar, is simply pathetic. I don`t know why people here, myself included, bother arguing with you anyway. There must be something about you, the extreme arrogance and ignorance, that we recognise from back in our days of dubdom.