What`s this`? It says he got disfellowshipped "for making this information public". What`s the information that they`re referring to? Please, someone tell me, I got curious, I`ve never heard about this guy.
Hellrider
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LOL, You Know got De-efed and has a book!
by Shining One inhttp://www.jehovah-has-become-king.com/ .
i have to thank cygnus for pointing out who this wacko really is.
do any of you remember old you know?
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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Scholar, please tell us how 'celebrated Watchtower scholars' calculate 539 for the fall of Babylon assuming they accept astronomical cuneiform text Strm Kambys400 as dating year 7 of Cambyses to 523/522 BC.
Not even the movement of the stars are important...even though their movements and positions thru history can be determined right down to detail... Jehovah can disrupt the movement of these stars, don`t you know? (after all, he lives on one of them: "The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens;.. The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God." {RECO 14. 1928})
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THE MOTIVES OF GOOD JWS WHO POST ON THIS SITE
by steve2 inwhile i think it's perfectly okay, i do wonder what motivates jws to post here and especially to also express views critical of ex-jws.
is it the freudian notion of "projection": the jw who denounces something in others that he or she is also guilty of?
hence, if a jw clearly denounces an apostate's faults, it must mean the jw is really against apostasy when it might be something he or she struggles with.
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Scholar is here advocating on behalf of the WatchTower. He is either one of them (up at Bethel), doing his best to spew some propaganda, which might actually have some effect on those here that are new, trying to scare them back to KH with his presence, or he is just insane and completely brainwashed, another unpaid distributor who completely believes what he is taught to believe. DefD is just a loyal, brainwashed witness.
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Scholar, please don't post and run...
by in a new york bethel minute innow, could you do us all a favour and read the replies to your post in the 607 thread?
there were a lot of questions raised by your comment and i think it would be a good witness if you would at least attempt to answer them.
two very important ones are:.
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Hellrider
He won`t show up, he never does when he is confronted.
I love that picture in your avatar, SeymoreButts (oh, I like your films too ). It`s the picture form the cover of the first Down-album, right?
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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Yeah,who are the "celebrated WT Scholars". And what`s more: You have been attacking the apostates and secular history, because "they can`t make up their mind about which year the temple fell" (as if it had any significance), and at the same time boasting about your "complete Babylonian chronology". So I asked you before, and I`ll ask again: WHERE IS IT! Where is your "complete Babylonian chronology"? Produce it, please, lengths of reigns and all.
There is secular evidence for 607 as you well know for it is based upon the Fall of Babylon and the Return, both these events have testimony from secular sources. the seventy years finds agreement with Josephus, a secular historian and the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 is confirmed biblically and again by Josephus. The foundation of 607 and its calculation is rock solid.
You still don`t understand. That the 70 years would have to relate to the destruction of the Temple, is only required within your JW-theology, which is a "theology" (not really) that even in its foundation is based on making prophecies about when Armageddon will come. But that has nothing to do with the Bible, or the relevant Bible-passages concerning this issue. To any normal person, it is easy to see that the 70 years relate to the period of Babylonian control and power over Judeah. But that would be impossible for you to understand.
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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...I was going to say something... but Jeffro covered it all.
Scholar, after reading numerous posts by you, I strongly suspect that you have some sort of severe personality disorder. But all in all, you should praise the lord for your illness. A "normal" JW (if there is such a thing) being exposed to true scholarship, brilliant minds and ...normality, for as long as you have, on this board, would have gone apostate for a long time now. Don`t ever go see a psychiatrist, Scholar. Yours is to much work. Better to stay the way you are (and I mean that from the bottom of my heart).
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How to brainwash only part of your brain.
by Ingenuous ini was talking to a mental health professional (don't remember her credentials) about jws.
part of what i couldn't get my brain around was how jws (myself included, when i was "in") can seem to function so well in other areas, but so easily and completely give up their minds to others when it comes to the org.
the behavior seems so irrational and deluded, with so many cognitive distortions at work, that healthy functioning in other areas would appear precluded.
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Hellrider
SeymoreButts, is that picture in your avatar from the first Down-album?
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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WM 44, excellent article. Ha ha, was funny that they were able to find these same messages in Moby Dick too, I got a kick out of that one.
Lawrence:
and boy what a shock when I stopped pioneering (peddling their lies) and hit the texts,
...bet you wish you had done that sooner, lol. But at least you eventually did it, and what`s more, you were able to do it, you had the intelligence to do it. That`s not the case for all JWs. Very, very few are able to do it, I think. I`m struggling myself, when I try to follow the debates on this forum, where they are discussing greek and hebrew words, grammar, context, etc. Years of JW-ubringing numbs the mind and turns the brain into mash. -
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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The entire "day for a year"-crap, is something that has been with the JWs from the beginning, from the time they called themselves Bible Students, and it`s something they inherited from the adventists, I think. The one day for a year-"rule" is ripped out of context, from
Numbers 14:34
34 For forty years—one year for each of the forty days you explored the land—you will suffer for your sins and know what it is like to have me against you.'This is probably the most outstanding example of out-of-context-lunacy in the entire JW-doctrine. They just take this scripture from Numbers, completely ignore not only the context, but also the theme, and shove it into Daniel and Revelations, and voila, a doomsday-sect is born. It`s utterly pathetic, and quite revealing of the average JWs intelligence that they are not able to see it.
I was just about to open a new thread, but maybe this would be as good a place as any to ask this question: This whole idea that there are "hidden messages", or "hidden codes/meanings" in the Bible, relating to such things as detailed preophetic statements about the future (that the future is written in code, as this is what JWs actually believe), does anyone have any clue about who first came up with this? To me, it reminds me a little bit about what little I know about Kabbalah. Could there be a link between Kabbalah, and this kind of thinking? Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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Reefton Jack:
Which WTS "scholars" do you have in mind, and what are they "celebrated" for?
I have asked him that question a hundred times. There is no reply. Never has been, and never will. He is just in awe over the fantastic WTS, but he doesn`t even know the names of those retards that write those articles. I have tried to explain to him, that obviously, the 70 years (approximately 70 years) refer to the power of Babylon over Judea, and not the destruction of the temple, but he won`t listen, as long as the WTS says otherwise. To hardocre dubs like (celebrated WT) Scholar JW; if the WTS said that the moon was made of swiss cheese, and God lived on the planet Alcycione in the Pleiads, but occasionally goes on vacation to Mars, then that`s how it would be, that would be "the Truth". There is no rationality, no intelligence, nothing.