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  feeling of hopelessness and fear

  by 060702015 in

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  do you have feelings of hopelessness and fear for not having a religion?.

  do you envy happy jehovah witnesses and living their lives carefree?.

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  Jhine

  Vinman , did you not ever worry about the blood issue , what if a loved one had an accident or illness that needed blood ? Or did something that required you to shun them

  I was so zealous, that I would of died from refusing blood. Never worried. If it really was God's will I would of allowed even family to die without blood. I thank God nothing happened. Imagine allowing your child ro die and then discovering TTATT a couple of years later. So sick! I had shunned my two brothers for nearly 20 years! We just now have been reconnecting. Thankfully they forgive me. They knew i was under mind control. I was the Jehu of witnesses. I still have the same zeal. But now it is directed in a positive way. Against the false prophet, the Watchtower. And I have maintained my relationship with Yahweh and Christ.
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  feeling of hopelessness and fear

  by 060702015 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do you have feelings of hopelessness and fear for not having a religion?.

  do you envy happy jehovah witnesses and living their lives carefree?.

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  vinman

  Totally understand. As long as I thought it was the truth, I loved everything. The meetings, assemblies, service, serving as an elder, you name it. I would enjoy every aspect of it. I loved even listening to the music prelude at conventions. Read every publication since 1983. The reason I was happy is because when you truly believe it is the truth and you are truly dedicated to Jehovah, and not the organization, it is not a burden. True it was tiring. I remember being happy when a meeting was cancelled. But overall, very happy. I must admit, I have always felt God's presence even though my zeal was not based on accurate knowledge. And people like myself hung out with people who felt similar. The ones who were not happy, were the ones who did not keep busy in activities. That is the folly. With hindsight, you can see why the organization wanted to run people into the ground. It keeps the flock in the pen. No thought of leaving or desire to research things beyond the Watchtower. So much of the happiness was based on that. The weak felt depressed and left out. The answer? Do more!!! So 9 months ago when I accidentally learned TTATT, everything went black. But now, things are improving. It was a real test. But I have not abandoned Yahweh and His Christ . I am starting to understand Christ's words: "So if the Son sets you free, you are truly free."- John 8:36
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
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  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  vinman

  I have many friends at work that are not JW's and are not ex-Jw's . What I have seen here is that ex-Jw's are the most screwed up people I have ever met. I include myself. That cult is sick! Critical thinking, critical thinking, critical thinking. I need to use critical thinking to study your critical thinking. My critical thinking is higher than your critical thinking because you believe in God, thus no critical thinking. But you are an atheist thus no critical thinking. Crap! I just don't experience this at work. Common sense rules. Not a fanatical study of critical thinking. Wow!! Yes, I am convinced that the "condition has become worse than the first". Of course, the Watchtower knew that because they are a cult. Signing out everybody. I know, no great loss.
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  vinman

  I looked up this book. I read many reviews and studies on it today. I wholeheartedly agree with SimonSays. Amen
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  Zimunzucz:

  Those are really good thoughts. I will definately check out the book you mentioned. The Five Gospels.

  
  
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  Viviane

  I'm sorry. But I don't even know who you are. My point was simply do unto others as you want them to do unto you. Personally, I would never express or imply to an atheist or any non-Christian religious person, that they are delusional, lack critical thinking skills, etc. I simply feel sorry for some new comers here. Some express perhaps that Christ set them free. We give them a warm welcome and say we are their friends and then as time passes, we bash them directly and indirectly. I know. I experienced it. Not saying everyone does it. But we do see it. Many may agree with me, but don't say anything. We come here to heal, not to preach. When I see a post about pro Bible or pro Christianity, I don't feel that is always preaching. I think those individuals are just wanting like minded people to respond. If the post opens up condemning atheists, I don't agree with that either.
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  vinman

  The Rebel:

  Thank you 😌
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  vinman

  If you read some of my replies, you will see that the point I was making was sarcastic . We get angry when we see such demeaning words towards this individual. We would never say anything unkind to him. I know I wouldn't. I wish I had the chance to meet him. In Search of Christian Freedom was a lifesaver for me. I have noticed that those who have continued in their worship, really don't slam atheists and constantly ridicule them unless they are attacked. However, if anyone talks about God, so many jump on the chance to ridicule. You can't tell a believer that you respect Franz and then add, even if he worshipped an "imaginary God." That is not respectful. That would be like me saying: "I respect the views of atheists even though they are ignorant." My point is simple: If you would never speak to Franz in some demeaning way and try to undermine his faith, why do it to others? I realize that all don't do that. But for those that do....

  PS: I appreciate violias comment. A very thoughtful and compassionate comment.😌
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  What has the Watchtower reading material done to YOU?

  by The Rebel in

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  the reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.

  i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.

  it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.

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  Your words: Ditto for me. What I thought was deep Bible study, now looks shallow and uninviting. Not much to meditate on. No flexibility when it came to real conscience matters. At times I flip through the newer magazines and realize that it truly was mind controlling. It speaks to a very shallow group. Since then I have found an abundance of bIble scholars, scientists, historians, that give me something to really chew on.
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  Ray Franz was an Idiot

  by vinman in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  ray franz who gave us insight into the gb due to a crisis of conscience was an absolute moron, with absolutely no critical thinking skills whatsoever like all of us have.

  i mean, to have a conscience based on some magic man in the sky.. how stupid can you be?

  in search of christian freedom?

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  vinman

  My point exactly.