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  Many Stay As JWs Because Of Social & Family Contacts

  by minimus in

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  would you agree that most people stay on as witnesses--not because they are "true believers" but because they have no place else to go or they will risk losing their family and friends?

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  DannyBloem

  count me in on this.

  However I do not know how much longer I can stand it...
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  Flood help in reasoning book.

  by bother_forever in

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  when going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "knowledgeable" householder i knew i needed fire power and fast.

  it was when opening the "reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew i would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc.

  there was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book.

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  DannyBloem

  Bonnie & Clyde, as responce to the question why the flood was not global...

  First I want to say that I do not agree with the last poster, that the bible says the flood was not global. COnsider the following:

  note that the bible does not speak about a local flood:

  1) The time the bible says Noah was in the ark

  2) The necessity of Noah to go in the ark the first place

  3) The necessity of birds and animals to go inside the ark

  4) The bible says the water were above the mountains

  5) Gods promise to never to it again would mean nothing for a local flood (and would be untrue)

  6) The bible says all people come from Noah

  So i think that the writer ment what he was saying, the is telling the story of a global flood.

  What ere some of the evidences that there was not a global flood as described by the bible and believed by the witnesses?

  The location of live on earth. De JW believe is hat all life except for the fish and lower life forms was destroyed and came from two pairs brought into the arc.

  Consider the fishes, there are a lot of lakes containing fish. Studies have indicated that fishes in lakes close to each other are more related then those farther away. Some can still interbreed, others can’t. The evolution process takes much longer for this to happen. There are even places where fishes of some kinds can interbreed with both kinds in the lakes beside them, but they fishes in the lakes beside them can not interbreed. (This is also a very strong point to prove that the evolution process does actually happen)

  Same for other species for example the mammals in Australia.

  A piece of more hard evidence comes from drilling samples of ice on the poles. Like the rings in the trees where you can count how old a tree is, there are also ‘rings’ in the ice. The seasonal changes cause the ice in winter and summer to be different, and also the (micro)organisms that are trapped in the ice are different. So, those layers can just be counted. This becomes increasingly difficult for longer periods as the ice is more compact if older (more pressure on top).

  Anyway this has been done and the estimated age of some of the core samples are 100000 years. It is pretty accurate until 7000 years and it becomes more and more difficult to get the exact age when older. Still it proves that there this part has never been underwater for a long time. The ice would have been melted a very different layer of ice would have been the result.

  If the rain was not salt (most logical) the salt-water fishes would be in deep trouble. Salt water is heavier and the mixing occurs slowly. They couldn’t stay deep because of pressure and could not stay on top because of lack of salt.

  More evidence in the animals.

  Many species can’t travel very well or fast and some are restricted to colder climates. Noah must have got them from far away.

  A lot of species can only survive without predators and are only found on islands where no (big) predators are. God must have got helped them to the ark and put them back afterward.

  After the flood the animals would have starved to dead. Some animals are very specific in what they eat.

  Tree ring dating. This goes back more then the time of the flood. No evidence of a global flood here.

  There is evidence of other water catastrophes, natural dam breakings etc. Why there is found evidence for that and not for the great flood. If it really happened the evidence must be overwhelming.

  If really believed God must have interfered at so many places. Where the water went, can’t be only natural. (Lifting the mountains etc). Where the water came from also. And must have given extra protection for Noah when this kind of catastrophes happened. What is the use of the ark then?

  It is clear how the mountains came to be, because of continental drifting.

  Then what is called the evidence of the flood?

  Legends and Myths.

  Answer: there have been local floodings (very recently one in Indonesia). Of course those things give rise to myths and legends. There is some evidence that there was probably 9000 years ago a local flood in the black sea area. Flooding is one of the most catastrophic events on earth (even today). So no wonder that many tribes have stories about them.

  So the possibility that those myths came from a local flood, however

  Danny
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  I'm telling lies from the stage

  by DannyBloem in

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  i recently gave a public talk, and i really felt bad about it.. it was the public talk about the great flood of noahs days.

  the is so much evidence that this great deluge never happened, but that is something you can't tell the audience from the stage.

  (i will tell about that evidence if people are interested, but it is a bit off-topic now).

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  I am just rereading this thread that I started and found this;

  I wish you were here in front of me so I could smack you upside the head. If there ever was a good case for it, you're it.

  Geeeeeze!!

  What the hell is this about, James Thomas? Is it not possible that somebody has an other opinion than you? If you do not know how to give an argument you just reply with violence? That is even worse the just quote a bible text as answer
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  List of things banned to JWs

  by AllAlongTheWatchtower in

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  my wife is involved with jws, and i want to find out what they believe, things they do or will not do, that i can present to her in the hope that it will convince her that the jw lifestyle is not for her.

  i found out a few things already, like blood and yoga which i told her about, but she was unphased.

  ("i've never needed a transfusion before anyway, and besides, they told me that doctors have blood substitute now".

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  This 'do not let others stumble' really makes me so sick!

  If they wish to stumble for such stupid things, just let then stuble and get the hell out there as quick as possible.

  Well, that is that I used to think when still 'in'. I am still angry for this stupid reasoning though

  Danny
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  What is you (or somebodies) best blooper in the KH?

  by DannyBloem in

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  for example: we had a 'faithfull' brother getting older and confused.

  when something did not really went as he liked it (didn't get the answer etc) he shouted very loudly 'god doom me in the hell!

  one time i had to do the closing prayer on the midweek meeting.

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  DannyBloem

  they were not JW sisters I mean. They were sisters eachother, sorry
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  Flood help in reasoning book.

  by bother_forever in

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  when going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "knowledgeable" householder i knew i needed fire power and fast.

  it was when opening the "reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew i would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc.

  there was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book.

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  DannyBloem

  Maybe because there is so many evidence that the flood was NOT global. They do not want the bro&sis talking about those 'scientific facts' they bring up in their publications, because the JW at the door would loose all arguments
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  Why I know Satan doesn't exists

  by DannyBloem in

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  when i was growing up as a jw i had (as most others) a masturbation 'problem'.. the broblem more was that i felt guilty, and not happy.

  this caused my concience to grow very weak.

  because of this repressed desires etc, i would have done anything for a woman.

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  DannyBloem

  I think Satan exists but not because of bad things in the world. I believe God exists but not because of good things either.

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  think we are the same stuff. If I do harm I act like a satan if I do no harm I act like a god but critically I can't be everywhere

  I do not understand what you mean here. Can you explain?
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  CIA using the WT for mind control experiments where obedience means death?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  could they have blackmailed jf rutherford to see what would happen if they used religious mind control (ie to stand up against a government even if it meant death).

  like the jws in germany, or malawi,, good testing grounds for mind control experiments if you ask me.

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  DannyBloem

  I'm sorry I do not like the wts so much but I do not see a conspiracy in every corner also.

  Maybe the CIA monitors the results, looks probably at all religions but does not experiment with WTS
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  Why I know Satan doesn't exists

  by DannyBloem in

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  2. friends

  when i was growing up as a jw i had (as most others) a masturbation 'problem'.. the broblem more was that i felt guilty, and not happy.

  this caused my concience to grow very weak.

  because of this repressed desires etc, i would have done anything for a woman.

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  DannyBloem

  Again about this naughty devil.

  How many people did God kill directly the bible states. And how many people did the devil kill directly?

  And then imagine the bible is even Gods book, not the devils. Does this not say something????

  Danny
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  Why I know Satan doesn't exists

  by DannyBloem in

  1. jw
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  when i was growing up as a jw i had (as most others) a masturbation 'problem'.. the broblem more was that i felt guilty, and not happy.

  this caused my concience to grow very weak.

  because of this repressed desires etc, i would have done anything for a woman.

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  DannyBloem

  The Devil is maybe a bit naughty, but not not be too hard on him evan, he is only doing the thing for which he is created....

  I am going to KH now, sorry the devil makes me do it...