Posts by isaacaustin

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CULT BUSTERS

by sacolton in

jw
friends

jehovah witnesses in your neighborhood ... who ya gonna call?

cult busters!

cult busters!who you gonna call?cult busters!

isaacaustin

As awareness and education increases, perhaps the governments will begin to see the WT org as the cult that it is.

Great song SACO!

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So I just got called a narcissist

by sabastious in

my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.

isaacaustin

-BATOR SAID:

hi hint

That is simply not true, we think we are doing a life-saving work according to the bible which is the one giving humankind the ultimatum not us.

My reply: Correct, JWs do believe that. They are cult-members and that is what the gb has told them.

-bator said:

Acts 11:14
He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.'

Did the Christians think the message they gave saved lifes? yes and if people rejected the message?

My reply: JWs do not preach the message spoken of in Acts 11:14...

Bator then said:

Romans 2:8
But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

1 Thessalonians 4:8
Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

My reply: Good verses...but they are not speaking of the WT lies.

Bator said:

If you have a problem of recognising that Jehovah has laid a choice before all mankind as to whether the reject or accept him and we are responsibile for getting his life-saving message out then your complaint is with the Bible not us.

My reply: This makes the JW cultmembers guilty of preaching a different gospel, and not spreading the message Jesus preached.

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So I just got called a narcissist

by sabastious in

my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.

isaacaustin

Reniaa/Debator said:

I have said my peace.

My reply: Its not the worhth bandwith it wasted.

-bator said:

Which is his Jehovah's witnesses parents have made a fair point if he wants to be actively apposed to witnesses at this time as a life choice.

My reply:

Only in the mind of a deluded believer in the org.

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So I just got called a narcissist

by sabastious in

my family knows that i post on this forum (they have a packet of print outs of topics i have started) and they know about my videos on youtube.. they have made a demand that i cease all internet communication with the apostate community and then they will have me back.. i have refused.. they say i am a narcissist because i am ignoring the feelings of my family because they are very hurt by the things i am doing on the internet and speaking out against the religion.. interesting since they had to search out my posts and videos to gather evidence of apostasy.. -sab.

isaacaustin

Reniaa said:

hi sweetbaby

Offering your religion as the true faith as apposed to false ones is simply what Jesus did denouncing the Jews and false gods of other faiths but his main thrust has always been presenting the the Kingdom message which is our main thrust too.

My reply: Where did Jesus do that?

Reniaa said:

This is a lot different from making your whole goal the destruction one particular religion alone. When showing our religion is the true one we stick to our adherance to God's word the bible and it's teachings. We will leave the destruction of false religion to Jehovah he doesn't need our help.

My reply:

No you don't. You stick to your adherence of the gb demands, printed through the WT.

Reniaa/Debator said:

hi tec

Witnesses are not wrong or hurtful! You and others on here simply don't want to be witnesses. Like most on here this was once a religion you loved and valued. But hate is the other side of love and it is easier to justify hate by demonising what you once loved so much

My reply: That is a lie, or an ignorant statement. Witnesses are taught to hate those who leave their cult. they are taught to shun those who break gb demands. The cult-members are taught to commit murder thru refusal of blood transfusions and not to plan for the future by being deceived by the many false prophecies of the WT.

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

isaacaustin

-bator, did you graduate 6th grade?

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Thought stopper: "We are the only ones doing what Jesus did."

by sabastious in

this is one of the top thought stopping phrases here.. it invalidates any argument presented against the organization.

it basically says this:.

"it doesn't matter who did what in the org, it doesn't matter how bad things get, we are the only ones doing what jesus did, therefore all errors and corruption are disregarded as we await the end.".

isaacaustin

Ren/Bator said:

Hi tweetie

It's all in the message.

My reply: OK, agreed. JWs have preached false prophecy repeatedly over the last century. Therefore, they certainly are not doing what Jesus did.

Ren/Bator said:

Acts 17:11
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

My reply: The governing body saw fit to modify this scripture to say that this only applies before you get baptized as one of JWs.

Ren/Bator says:

If you think the book of Mormon suppasses the Bible become a mormon!

My reply:

If you think the governing body suppasses the Bible become a Jehovahs Witness!

Ren/Baotr said:

Non-dominational church isn't that an oxymoron? what can a non-commital faith preach except only the very basic, depthless teachings?

My reply: An ignorant staement by an ignorant person...and a baseless assertion.

Ren/Bator said:

Some Religions still sometimes make an attempt at preaching but what is their message? If they are simply preaching a triune god not found in the bible does this count?

My reply:

Some Religions still sometimes make an attempt at preaching but what is their message? If they are simply preaching false prophecies and rules as doctrine not found in the bible does this count?

Ren/Bator said:

It is not just that the Jehovah's witnesses preach world-wide (which fewer religions even attempt because their blurred faith undermines preaching a specific bible teaching with confidence) It is that I saw them preaching the most accurate teachings reflecting what the bible actually says in harmony with it all not just proof texting scriptures for their own doctrine.

My reply:

JWs do not preach world wide, they have not penetrated much of the Islamic nations for one thing. But even if they did, lies can be spread just as quickly as truth...so that proves nothing. They have simply preached flase prophecy over a century, and attempted to proved their doctrines by proof-texting, isogesis and their owned canned answers that lack any sort of depth.

Ren/Bator said:

One of the biggest changes from Jews to Christians is living by Bible principles not just a set of rules. Understanding why something is wrong. Without it having to be specifically mentioned. Being able to see from fruitage the way the world is wrong in God's eyes not just because we are told it is wrong.

My reply: Agreed. This is not something JW do. they simply follow a new code of law, issued by the governing body.

Ren/Bator said:

Some of the oldest questions in the book are; Does it matter what we believe? Who is our Almighty God that we obey? Why should we obey Jehovah?

My reply: Whose book?

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BIG WEEKEND JW NEWS STORY EXPOSES HEARTLESS CULT

by West70 in

the following newspaper article appears to be the original (and more lengthy and indepth) article from which associated press took their "summarized" (and less informative) story which is being picked up by a number of television stations and newspapers across the u.s. .

this better version should be forwarded to media outlets as a more informative version for their audience.

they also embrace political neutrality.

isaacaustin

ren/bator, It is heartening to see the JW cult exposed more and more. perhaps a benefit of this education will be governments stepping in.

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Awake! says we can pray in Jesus' name!!!

by Leolaia in

according to this, jesus is not just the mediator of the 144,000 -- he's the mediator of mankind!!

and apparently "dear jesus" prayers are okay!

the watch tower says i can say, "dear jesus, you are my mediator as you are for all mankind..." "the bible clearly says that jesus christ is mankind's redeemer, so he is mankind's mediator.

isaacaustin

-bator said:

Hi serein

The mediatorship is the specific covenant dealing with the firstfruits that will be acting as kings and priests in heaven.

Romans 8:17
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Revelation 14:4
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

Romans 11:16
If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

My Reply: Rom 11:16 just refuted your 2 class theory Reniaa.

-bator said:

It in no way stops us praying to Jehovah in Jesus's name whatever our hope whether it is earthly or heavenly.

My reply: Fictitious 2 classes...regardless of which of the fictitious classes a JW is of, they must stay loyal to the GB.

Reniaa/Debator said:

We as witnesses do not preach that only the 144,000 can pray to Jehovah through Jesus so You are mistaken on our bible drawn beliefs there.

My reply: You are not a JW Reniaa, only a believer in their BS. Real JWs do not come to apostate sites. You are correct though that JWs do not teach that only 144,000 can pray to Jehovah.

Ren/Bator said:

Jesus is priest to all mankind having sacrificed his blood for us all so we all go through him.

Hebrews 9:24-26 (New International Version)

24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

My reply: Correct statement...but useless in JW theology.

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Awake! says we can pray in Jesus' name!!!

by Leolaia in

according to this, jesus is not just the mediator of the 144,000 -- he's the mediator of mankind!!

and apparently "dear jesus" prayers are okay!

the watch tower says i can say, "dear jesus, you are my mediator as you are for all mankind..." "the bible clearly says that jesus christ is mankind's redeemer, so he is mankind's mediator.

isaacaustin

Reniaa said:

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

My reply:

While John 14:14 shows coming to Jesus directly is also acceptable.

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Thought stopper: "We are the only ones doing what Jesus did."

by sabastious in

this is one of the top thought stopping phrases here.. it invalidates any argument presented against the organization.

it basically says this:.

"it doesn't matter who did what in the org, it doesn't matter how bad things get, we are the only ones doing what jesus did, therefore all errors and corruption are disregarded as we await the end.".

isaacaustin

Reniaa aka Debator said:

Hi Bortherdan

We ask Jehovah in Jesus's name not Jesus directly.

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

This is Jesus's own explanation unless you are calling him a liar?

My reply: Go read John 14:14...but not in the New World MisTranslation.