Posts by Whiskeyjack

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THIS HELPED ME. Your opions please

by xjwms in

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friday february 18 i arrived in orlando for a tony robbins event: "unleash the power within".

i went to cleanse the mind of anything unwanted, ... and to replace with strong, powerful, positive direction.

by sunday at 7pm.

Whiskeyjack

I always get a good laugh with Mr. Robbins. Any activity framework (which is all he provides IMHO) can be useful in managing our emtional contraints (I believe the Greeks were right and much of our personality is gentically passed on to us by our parents) that hijack our intellects ("I don't know why I keep doing this stuff" type of thing).

I wouldn't forget my time in the org. but accept it and acknowledge its accumulated effect (I still snicker arrogantly when I meet other people calling themselves christian!) on my biases, thinking abilities and action abilities (Tony's specialty).

It is part of your life experience and can be used in your personal development as you re-formulate you life-philosophy. You are the only one that can hold you back. Use Tony by all means, but slow, painful thinking is unavoidable in the long run. But it is worth it!

W.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-13-05 WT Study

by blondie in

will be in black and parentheses ().

quotes from other sources will be in blue.

and the good news about the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then, finally, the end will come.

Whiskeyjack

Blondie,

Thanks for all the hard work.

W.

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please help me

by angel1234 in

hi every 1 im new here i would like to chat to a jw as i would like to have sum questions answer i do belive in god & prayre every night 2 him hope u can help me as i feel a little alone at the moment take care xxx thank you xx

Whiskeyjack

Welcome Angie!

Yoru're in the right place. Most of the members of this board are thoughtful empathetic and intelligent individuals who all shared the same sin-thinking. There are many views on the board (I'm a hopeful agnostic myself so probably not the one to ask doctrinal questions but any help I can provide is yours for the asking) and while debates can be brisk, civility does pervade.

Never feel like you're the "oddball" that just can't fit in because you're part of a community of thousands and thousands across the globe. Look forward to your posts.

W.

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Why did Israelite soldiers die following Jehovahs direction?

by truthseeker in

joining the armed forces presents an inherent risk that one will die in combat.

there is a historical account in the bible detailing huge losses for the israelite army, when they followed jehovah's direction.

to set the scene - a group of homosexual men surround the house of an old man, asking him to bring out a lodger for sexual gratification.

Whiskeyjack

There never seems any logical answers when "God" starts sponsoring organized violence (even though so much is done in the Fellow's name) among his followers to achieve his ends.

As a kid, I remember feeling resentful that the Israelites could go on slaughtering/looting binges (no rapine?) but I couldn't join the navy as a JW! These types of accounts in the bible are what made me at best, a hopeful agnostic.

As the all-powerful creator of the universe, it just seemed to be that He could do better. I don't even bother with issues in the bible before Jesus anymore.

W.

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my life growing up as a JW

by moanzy in

just want to share my experience growing up through this organization.

all but one sister are jw.

my other sister was molested by other people who were at the time witnesses.

Whiskeyjack

Welcome Moanzy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its mind boggling how they can lie when they need to (or look the other way, etc...). I was pleased that you mentionned that a couple of JW's did encourage you to attend the funeral (did they back you up in public?). My folks never lied to make things easier for themselves (they walked the talk inside the hall and outside 24/7) and that's one of the factors that led to all their children leaving (they did their job a little too well) the org..

I've heard stories here (and talking to other ex-JW's) that have left me flabbergasted. It must nice to just ignore mental/emotional illnesses and pretend they don't exist (same trend exists in management cicles in many corporations today as well). If you want to "direct" every aspect of peoples' lives, then you must be prepared to deal with everything. It was this dysfunctionalism that made me leave (not because of the wolrdly wisdom I picked up at school) or chronology issues.

I just faded away myself and aside from some emotional blackmail from my mum, I still see my folks occasionally (we agree to disagree since they won't-can't argue reasonably). Its been 15 plus years now and I've still got a ways to go!

Keep moving forward and try to be there "down the road" for your siblings!

W.

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Whiskeyjack

Well, you're definitely a lawyer Eduardo!

W.

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WATCHTOWER AND TOBACCO INDUSTRY???

by chuckyy in

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i have heard recently that the society has some sort of financial connections with philip morris the tobacco giant.. is this true???

chukyy

Whiskeyjack

That would seem a pretty simple and straight-forward thing for them to do wouldn't it?

Anybody want to lay odds?

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The Watchtower In Crisis: Why They Can't Raise Good Kids

by metatron in

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if there any single factor that i would rate as the highest priority in raising a child, it is this:.

teach them to be caring, loving adults who care about other people.. we've already noted, ad nauseum, how witnesses are largely impelled by motives other than love in their "ministry".

"pioneer stroll" and fantasies about who's-house-you-want-after-armageddon, there is a further problem in raising witness kids.

Whiskeyjack

More like a last ditch, over-compensation in a losing battle. It is unnatural to expect a kid to act like a Nazareen (I think I got that right) and the 1950's were over long ago! Why were we expected to get that big a "head start" on Jesus?

I can't imgagine how they (FDS/GB) think today's kids (in the org.) with the resources at their disposalthese days will "swallow" any of their dusted off family advice given the challenges facing them today. Easier than taking a good hard honest look at reality though.

Any comments among the younger folk?

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How many years in how many out?

by rekless in

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in 30 out 4

Whiskeyjack

22 in, 16 out!

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Talked to a friend of mine...

by ithinkisee in

over the last week i have been telling a longtime friend of mine from my hometown about what i found.

we were best friends all growing up and he had some real bad physical abuse probs in his house and so when he graduated he left the truth and has just recently started coming back.

he?s been studying off and on.

Whiskeyjack

You're doing fine. Just ask him to keep thinking and make appeals to his sense of logic and integrity.

As for the GB, they're not the first Org. to lose it's sense of purpose but continue on via its own interia. The alternative is frightening when all you're left with is questions again. Personal integrity has a price and its often personal comfort (I'd much rather think I had all the answers but duping myself is useless in the long run).