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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. medical
80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!
besty

Hi Barb - nice to see you on this thread :-) the voice of reason maybe

My thoughts are on page 4 and 5 of this thread - since then I am persuaded that we can't know the answer - perhaps if a high level JW defector surfaces we might get a better idea. Or if a qualified researcher takes it on.

Throwing large numbers around - no matter the pseudo-stats involved in their preparation - is not helpful. As several posters have suggested, the variables and unknowns make large extrapolations subject to such wide error boundaries as to make them meaningless. (And in Marvin's case he didn't suggest error margins or any other confidence metric)

The Beliaev study has itself been the subject of peer criticism - if I can find more details I will share them. If anybody has access to the full text of the study I would be happy to have some data scientists in my company take a look.

It appears that transfusion is negatively linked with anemia outcomes in any case...

I think the point of this thread was to debate the use of sensational claims - not neccessarily to 'prove' what the right answer is.
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New Study Watchtower Celebrates 100 year Anniversary of the Kingdom
by Skinnedsheep in
1. jw
2. friends
it is painful to read.

check out the 1/15/14 wt.

i am going to throw an invisible party to celebrate.
besty

"Today, those in this <second> group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation."

Isn't that more or less the same wording used pre 1995?

Find the quote someone pls - there must be dozens of them...
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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. medical
80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!
besty

wheres Nicolau - this is his bloody thread after all
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Video is up - Grandma pleads with JW Granddaughter
by BONEZZ in
1. jw
2. friends
finally got it up on youtube...the title right at the moment is just "grandma" but it's going to change to "grandma pleads with jehovah's witness granddaughter.".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcpuj96a8lg.

we taped it about a week ago and my mom went into the hospital 3 days ago.
besty

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201310/3-things-money-cannot-buy/

The number 1 thing money can't buy is.....<drum roll....>

FAMILY UNITY

ain't that the truth about the truth...
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Video is up - Grandma pleads with JW Granddaughter
by BONEZZ in
1. jw
2. friends
finally got it up on youtube...the title right at the moment is just "grandma" but it's going to change to "grandma pleads with jehovah's witness granddaughter.".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcpuj96a8lg.

we taped it about a week ago and my mom went into the hospital 3 days ago.
besty

hi bonezz - great video and hope it has the best possible outcome for you and your family - all of them!

(don't know if you recall we met briefly at Tahoe 2009 I think - happy days)
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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. medical
80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!
besty

Does it matter if 50,000 people died or 250,000 for want of blood?

What if a more accurate number is 10,000, or 1,000?

Does it then matter that certain ex-JW's are using social media to propogate a ridiculously high number like 250,000?

That's the point of this thread - and a permanent record for future readers that an alternative viewpoint exists, including yours.
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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. medical
80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!
besty

@giordano - you make some excellent off-topic points - pls see the subject line for details of this particular thread.
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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. medical
80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!
besty

between my wife and I - combined 70 years active association with a huge circle of JW's in several UK regions - we came up with a big fat zero JW's we were aware of that wilfully bled out in the hospital.

Just the 3 that made the news in the last 5 or 6 years - Joshua McAuley the young lad in Birmingham area, the twins mum Emma Gough and the old dear Margaret Cornelius - the latter being local press only.

Marvins numbers implies that for every JW death that makes the national and local news there are another 30 or so deaths that go unreported....
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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. medical
80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!
besty

well at least his methodolgy is open to professional peer review - I think that is what we are attempting here with Marvin, but very unprofessionally :-)

seriously SBF - what is your gut feel on JW deaths in the UK per annum due to blood refusal?

I was amazed that Economist blogger had to go back 6 years to 2007 to quote an example.
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"Building 1.5 Million Square Feet in 4 Years will NOT Happen Without Jehovah's Spirit"
by Yan Bibiyan in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
a quote from the latest jw video pimping the warwick project.

link below, quote @7:30 mark.. http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/construction/video-world-headquarters-jehovahs-witnesses-history-warwick/.

i call bullshit!.
besty

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