Countrygirl,
I agree with your sentiments.
jaffacake
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The Pope just took his last poop.........
by WingCommander ini'm sure the jw's will be dancing around the may pole tonight celebrating!!
honestly, mother therasa did more to help the needy and poor then the pope did any day.
i always found it funny how catholics worshipped the pope, and even seem to think he is christ on earth or something.
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Signs of the end, are they so clear that we don't see them anymore?
by JH in7 ?for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
8 all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 ?then people will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.
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jaffacake
Michelle
My post was simply to demonstrate there is no truth in date formulae, so we are agreed. I mistakenly thought perhaps that's why you thought "the due time has approached" (Luke 21:8) Then there is no need for me to say how Jesus responded to the many people who would say in his name things such as "the due time has approached" I try to follow His warning "do not go after them". I think Hondo put it so well.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Signs of the end, are they so clear that we don't see them anymore?
by JH in7 ?for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
8 all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 ?then people will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.
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Hondo
I wish I'd said that! I'll save a copy of your post.
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Any update on UN and Watchtower?
by yelloeteady inhas the society responded to the accusations of their involvement with the un recently or as of this year?
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jaffacake
wow, thanks thanks thanks blondie
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Does anyone Love Jehovah anymore?
by defd in.
i know people have left for people issues but what about jehovah god and jesus?
what have they done?.
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jaffacake
Not all are ex-JWs for people reasons, some have found Jahweh & Jesus Christ. Some now know that the New Testament is for all Christian believers:
1 John 2 27 ?But the anointing which you have received of Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him.?
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Does anyone Love Jehovah anymore?
by defd in.
i know people have left for people issues but what about jehovah god and jesus?
what have they done?.
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jaffacake
It is clear to me that many people on here love Jahweh & Christ Jesus. As for his organisation, CT Russell was right in my view, when he wrote in the Watchtower:
?We belong to no earthly organization?we adhere only to that heavenly organization ?whose names are written in heaven? (Heb
?What think you?...suppose?all man made creeds and forms ?and names were laid aside, or that all Christians met in the One name of Christ, and in earnest simplicity, studied HIS words under the direction of God?s Spirit and the explanations furnished in the Apostles? writings, would there be long and serious differences, even of opinion?... And so, by whatsoever names men may call us, it matters not to us; we acknowledge none other name than ?the only name given under heaven and among men? ? Jesus Christ. We call ourselves simply CHRISTIANS and we raise no fence to separate from us any who believe in the foundation stone of our building mentioned by Paul: ?that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures?; and those for whom this is not broad enough have no right to the name Christian.?
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The Pope just took his last poop.........
by WingCommander ini'm sure the jw's will be dancing around the may pole tonight celebrating!!
honestly, mother therasa did more to help the needy and poor then the pope did any day.
i always found it funny how catholics worshipped the pope, and even seem to think he is christ on earth or something.
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jaffacake
correction, I meant WTS today does more harm to ordinary people. The WTS has more in common with Catholicism than most things:
I was brought up a catholic & learned Catholic ?truth? which had the following hallmarks:
- The hierarchy was an essential requirement for order in the Church
- We were not allowed to read critical writing by ex-Catholics
- Other documents were presented as necessary in order to understand Scripture
- The leadership was a necessary link between God and the people
- Very apocalyptic; prophecies of future events (eg end of the world & imminent possibility of Hell was apocalyptic for every individual)
- Doctrines changed significantly over time as Church claims special
insight from God. - Leadership demands absolute loyalty, which is contrary to Scripture (Jer 17:5)
- Those outside (non-Catholics) were considered spiritually inferior
- Scriptural salvation (by grace not works) was given lip service. But the need to work for salvation (penances & purgatory) was guaranteed
To WTS O would say:
Matthew 7:3-5 (
?Why do you observe the splinter in your brother?s eye and never notice the plank in your own? How dare you say to your brother, let me take the splinter out of your eye, when all the time there is a plank in your own? Hypocrite! Take the plank out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother?s eye.?
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The Pope just took his last poop.........
by WingCommander ini'm sure the jw's will be dancing around the may pole tonight celebrating!!
honestly, mother therasa did more to help the needy and poor then the pope did any day.
i always found it funny how catholics worshipped the pope, and even seem to think he is christ on earth or something.
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Wing
The Vatican of history is much worse than WTS. The WTS today however does less harm to ordinary people than the Vatican.
The Watchtower Society has higher claims on Divine guidance even than the Papacy. The Papacy has a narrower definition of what it says it is infallible about. WTS just avoids that particular word.
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A Poem for Jehovah's Witnesses and Apostates
by slimboyfat inin broken images he is quick, thinking in clear images; .
i am slow, thinking in broken images.
i become sharp, mistrusting my broken images, .
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jaffacake
What does the Bible mean by apostasy? Scriptures please?
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Signs of the end, are they so clear that we don't see them anymore?
by JH in7 ?for nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
8 all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.
9 ?then people will deliver you up to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be objects of hatred by all the nations on account of my name.
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jaffacake
Michelle,
I'm inexperienced with Bible, but is the Gospel message anything to do with timing ? Isn't Matthew 24 about NOT being overly concerned with the timing, UNTIL the tribulation.
The practice of applying ?a year for a day? formula to Bible time periods was first done in the first Century, by Jewish rabbis. By the 9 th century, a succession of rabbis began making calculations and predictions for the time periods of 1,290, 1,335, and 2,300 days found in Daniel?s prophecy (but they applied their results to the appearance of the Messiah).
The practice started amongst professed Christians in the 12 th century with the Roman Catholic abbot, Joachim of Floris who also used the ?year for a day? method to the 1,260 days mentioned in Revelation (11:3 & 12:6). Many dates started to be predicted eg 1260, then 1364, then a spate in the 16 th century. Through the decades and centuries, as one date after another passed without the foretold events taking place, changes, either to the dates, or to the interpretations of events, became necessary.
Breakthrough?
Then eventually, a breakthrough (or coincidence?). In 1796 George Bell predicted the fall of the Antichrist (in his view the Pope) in either 1797 or 1813. Shortly after this prediction the Pope was taken captive by the French and forced into exile. This was seen as a remarkable fulfilment of Bible prophecy proving that 1798 was the end of the prophetic 1,260 days and 1799 marked the beginning of the ?last days?.
In 1823 John Aquila Brown published that 1844 would mark the end of the 2,300 days of Daniel. Second Adventist pioneer, William Miller supported this conclusion. Brown also originated the interpretation of ?seven times? in Daniel 4 that gave the 2,520 years still used today by the Watchtower Society and several other religious groups. This method was first published in 1823, 29 years before CT Russell was born and 47 years before he began his independent Bible study group.
All these facts were uncovered in research during the 1970s by a respected Jehovah?s Witness elder and scholar, and were brought to the attention of the Governing Body. The same elder also presented overwhelming evidence that the 1914 date was in error by 20 years, but for some reason the Governing Body decided to stand by the dates already widely published. However, the details of the origins of the 1914 date were published by outside sources in
If these time prophecies and dates, had been around for so long, I wonder how did they seem to originate with Jehovah?s Witnesses & the Watchtower?
After failed expectations about 1844, the Adventists split into several groups each predicting new dates for Christ?s return. One of them, N H Barbour used the Brown method but used 606BC as the starting point & came up with an ending of 1914 for the ?end of the gentile times?. (mis-calculated as this is only 2,519 years not 2,520) Adventist Barbour published these dates in 1873 and by 1878 Russell had joined Barbour and become assistant editor of the Adventist ?Herald of the Morning?.
In the Watchtower of Russell tells the story. Before meeting Barbour he had despised time prophecies, but after a visit from Barbour he changed his mind. Thereafter time prophecies dominated Russell?s writings and those of the Watchtower he soon founded.
Both Barbour and Russell taught:
The key date of 1874 marked the end of 6000 years of human history. But the year turned out to be just another date that passed without incident, but then another Adventist B W Keith noticed one version of Scripture could be translated Christ?s ?presence? instead of His ?coming? so they ?knew? their date was correct but reasoned that his presence to carry out judging work in 1874 was invisible. Other Christians were sure the date was false, simply because of Christ?s teachings. However, an invisible presence was, and is, a difficult thing for Christians to disprove.
From reading Watchtower publications it appears that for nearly 50 years the Watchtower leadership, in their role as ?prophet?, heralded that the invisible presence of Christ began in 1874. They were still teaching this in 1929, fifteen years after even the 1914 date. It seems that for decades they also believed and published the following:
- Christ?s kingdom rule began & fall of in 1878
- the last days began in 1799
- resurrection of the anointed in 1881 (?fall? ie Autumn)
- harvest would run from 1874 to 1914
- destruction of all human institutions & ?s complete destruction in 1914 or 1918
All these were based on ?parallels? from Scriptural ages. What if all this man-made methodology of parallelism which has been around for centuries, is flawed, or just plainly the wrong approach? In 2,000 years has one visible prediction come true?