Posts by RebelliousSpirit

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I'm thinking of going back

by Smoky in

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over the weekend my cousin came to visit from mi, and her husband (elder) started to do his shepperding thing with me (have not attended meetings for over 1 year), and made a compeling argument about how the holy spirit is given by god only if you attend meeting and go to field service...etc, etc.

and the whole "faith and works" issue.

it was a different angle that i have never heard before, about me being a "instrument or tool" of god...blah, blah, blah... anyhow, it got me thinking about going back...especially when things are not going to well for me right now... (he said its because i left jehovah).. how can i convince myself that this is not true?

RebelliousSpirit

Anyhow, It got me thinking about going back...especially when things are not going to well for me right now... (he said its because I LEFT Jehovah).

I'll give you the bottom line. My husband left the JW's when he was 19 years old. For the last 8 years outside of the organization my husband's life has gone GREAT! He is happily married, has two beautiful children, has a great job, lots of friends, etc. Nothing traumatic or even particularly bad has happened in the last 8 years - life has been good to him, God has been good to him.

You left "Jehovah's organization" (and I use that term lightly). If your life isn't going so well, you need to look elsewhere (honestly, within yourself) for reasons - because I don't believe it has anything to do with leaving the WTS.

Remember ... (Jehovah) God promises he will never leave or forsake you.

For he has said: ?I will by no means leave you nor by any means forsake you.? So that we may be of good courage and say: ?Jehovah is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?? (Hebrews 13:5,6)

By no means will God leave or forsake you. That verse does not say, "I will by no means leave you nor by any means forsake you, unless of course you leave my "earthly organization". Something to keep in mind.

Sounds like counseling would serve you well. Being a JW cannot fix the problems that are making you so unhappy, that's your job.

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A friend in need did it!

by Badger in

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he's made his 200th post on this here apostate board!

now, all you jwders, show him how much you love him!.

badger, of the roasting class.

RebelliousSpirit

She better leave my sister apostate-to-be alone!

::grin:: (((Badger)))

I already am an apostate, remember? I'm a Catholic apostate now!

The Pope is shakin in his boots, too. And he's probably sent word to my church that they best bar the doors and not let me in, lest I contaminate.

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A friend in need did it!

by Badger in

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friends

he's made his 200th post on this here apostate board!

now, all you jwders, show him how much you love him!.

badger, of the roasting class.

RebelliousSpirit

in fact, I think she's counting a study with RS now.

For a study to be a study, doesn't one have to actually study and learn something?

I haven't learned a thing from AFIN. Oh wait, yes I have. I learned that it's ok for a JW to frequent an apostate website afterall, so long as they pretend not to enjoy themselves.

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I Q

by stillajwexelder in

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already got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)

RebelliousSpirit

That reminds me that a few years ago here in France they had to check twice about how questions were asked to students who had to take an exam to pass the BACCALAUREAT (A degree that I don't know what I can compare it to in your countries)

The baccalaureate is equivalent to a Bachelor's degree in the US. I attended a Jesuit college for my undergraduate work - we had a Baccalaureate Mass the day before commencement when I received my BA.

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I Q

by stillajwexelder in

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already got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)

RebelliousSpirit

I would be very, very interested to know who measured the IQ's of those boasting to have above average ratings.
Is anybody brave enough to mention where they took their IQ tests and what system was used? Online IQ tests are not true IQ tests and do not produce anywhere near accurate measurements. In fact you would be better off trusting a test given to you by a field rodent than trusting an online IQ test.
So, how about everybody who has claimed an over 120 IQ telling us where you were tested, and what method of testing was used.
Best regards - HS

As I said ... According to the IQ test that got me stuck in the gifted program in school - 142. That was in 4th grade, and the program was called DELPHI - Developing Enlightened Learners through the Process of Heuristic Involvement. I'd have to ask my mom, but I'm pretty sure I took the Stanford-Binet LM - they didn't revise until 1986, and I took the test in 1984.

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

RebelliousSpirit

you assume that all Witnesses have the same biblical accumen, much less the fortitude to answer tough questions.

Granted ... but they shouldn't have dropped her in that case, they should have enlisted the assistance of someone else in the hall. That's what my conductor had to do - she apparently can't handle me alone.

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

RebelliousSpirit

Serious question and debate after baptism do not exist.

I don't doubt that one bit Valis. I think across the board questioning is a no-no for the baptized ones. But I find it so bizarre that a study questioning in one place gets her dropped, and in another place I'm being encouraged to question. So much for uniformity, right?

I remember when the elders first came to my house about my husband's reinstatement letter. The Presiding Overseer was one of the ones who came. I told him, "You won't like me, I ask too many questions". His reply? "I would rather you question than not, and I would encourage you to do so". I hold him to that to this day. Well, not him exactly - he passed away a few months ago from terminal cancer. But I have told everyone in the hall, including the new PO, what the former PO told me - and I told all of them that I'm holding them to it (allowing me to question). They haven't argued yet.

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

RebelliousSpirit

That's funny ... I took the same questions to my conductor on Saturday, in addition to big questions about the blood policy. She and another sister from the KH answered them as best they could, but still not to my satisfaction.

They both told me that it was ok that I was still questioning, that they'd encourage me to continue questioning until I got my answers, that they could see that I just honestly want to know what Jehovah REALLY expects of us, that I shouldn't feel bad or guilty for having questions, and that I shouldn't just take their word for it.

How do you like that for a stark contrast to Holly's experience??? Here I am being encouraged to question! And by the PO's wife no less!

I'm still waiting for the ball to drop though ... it always does, I imagine.

Edited to add that I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone with all of my "abnormal" JW experiences. I'm not kidding - this is how it's been where I'm from, folks. LOL! Maybe it's some kind of new JW tactic?

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I Q

by stillajwexelder in

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already got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)

RebelliousSpirit

According to the IQ test that got me stuck in the gifted program in school - 142. That was in 4th grade, and the program was called DELPHI - Developing Enlightened Learners through the Process of Heuristic Involvement.

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To the Nations of Israel and Palestine

by Brownboy in

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RebelliousSpirit

Jehovah's Organization is just that.
It belongs to Jehovah. It currently resides in the heavens, and anyone that is found righteous will inherit the Kingdom of God.
Jehovah Himself has already found you worthy.
He just relayed this to me, and will relay it to you in your dreams.
Fill your heart with contentment.
It is love that will heal the nations. Please pass this message on as a Witness to those on this forum.
Jehovah has blessed you.
The faithful and discreet slave of JAH, ALA, and also YHWH

Holy cr@p - is this guy for real??

I honestly have to say that I can't imagine this guy being a JW - rather I think the WTS/GB would collectively drop dead if they read his posts. LOL! I've never heard such ridiculous nonsense - even from a Witness.