this is my very first post on this site and i am happy to be here.
i would like to rely a little experience to everyone.
recently, i went back to the kingdom hall after an absence of almost thirteen years.
Hi Dutchy,
I remember when one of my daughters was a teen ager, late teens. The styles at that time were mini-skirts and micromini- skirts, then maxi-skirts and dresses started. My daughter really liked fashions so she wore a maxi-dress to the meeting. It seems hard to believe but the elders were upset with her for wearing that. They are nuts!
Borgfree
"True patriotism doesn't exclude an understanding of the patriotism of others" Queen Elizabeth II
enron was small beer; worry about the pentagon!.
http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,325985-412,00.shtml?.
just last week president bush announced, "my 2003 budget calls for more than $48 billion in new defense spending.
I believe the primary role of the US government is the defense of this country and it's citizens. Not the rebuilding of Afghanistan, or providing anything for the world.
I suspect a big part of the missing millions/billions goes into the secret projects, such as the stealth planes, those unmanned planes flying over Afghanistan, etc.
I am sure there is also much waste and mismanagement. The more money any agency has, the less they will worry about a few thousand dollars misplaced here or there.
Borgfree
"True patriotism doesn't exclude an understanding of the patriotism of others" Queen Elizabeth II
i often wonder if jw`s on these sites consider them "apostate" especially with regards to many topics?
do you ignore topics that could possibly test your faith?
how do you not wonder about your religion with all the information that is available to you now that proves this sekt invalid?
Hi Violetanai,
You said:
I admire someone who is willing to admit they were wrong. Takes great courage, especially if the whole world is watching every move they make and just waiting for them to screw up. Shows humility.I was told that story my whole life, that the world was watching everything that we, JWs, did. I have found since I left the WT and have visited many churches and lived in the "world" that overall people just ignore JWs. Many think they are just a strange bunch and don't take them very seriously.
Borgfree
"True patriotism doesn't exclude an understanding of the patriotism of others" Queen Elizabeth II
a recent poll showed that abraham lincoln was america's favororite all-time president; jfk and "w" ties for 2nd and clinton got second.
now during our dub years we didn't pay that much attention (or claimed we didn't hehe)to the history of our presidents.
but i was curious as to who you guys think our best all-time president was.
Reagan would be my first choice now
But George W. could be number 1 someday.
"True patriotism doesn't exclude an understanding of the patriotism of others" Queen Elizabeth II
it is indeed strange, yet understandable to observe the "kneejerk" reactions you get when you point out possible .
flaw's with the mighty us of a, "god's own country".
even from people who should have learned not to have that .
I had promised myself that I would not post on this topic, but I cannot seem to stop myself. Here is my 2 cents.
I think there is another reason why some Americans show pride in being a citizen of this country, or being male, or white, etc. I think I fit into that category.
A mother who did not show prejudice raised me from birth and taught her children to show no prejudice. We were taught to consider ourselves less than others (I don’t remember the scripture reference) There were some things that happened in my teens that started changing my feelings toward some people. I will not go into the details because I believe some on this forum would immediately dispute what is in fact truth and more anger would be caused.
What I have seen over the past several decades is a growing animosity towards “Americans” but when you analyze what that means, it comes down to this. Women are given a pass because of course they are gentle people and do not start wars etc. American Indians are given a pass because “Americans”(?) have victimized them, black people are given a pass because they were victimized and made slaves, homosexuals are given a pass because they are victims and are not violent people.
You can go on and on until you arrive at just exactly who are the “Americans” that are seen as the bad people. White, straight, Christian men.
I believe there are ulterior motives in all this. I have seen white men in power kissing the rear ends of all sorts of people for years now and all that is accomplished is more blame and accusations heaped onto white men.
The more “Americans” give, the more is demanded from them. I am frankly tired of the abuse heaped upon me and other “Americans”
I have mostly arrived at this conclusion, and I think many others have also, I will do the best I can, I will make decisions I think are best for me, my children, and progeny, I will try my best to not do harm to other people. But if I, or we, are attacked I will fight back with everything I have to fight back with.
I think that people in other countries can disagree with us all they want, but when the chips are down, they will be our friends, or our enemies. No neutrals.
And, I agree with the old saying, “the best defense is a good offense”
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents, but rather because its opponents die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck
hi everyboby!!.
i am a newbie in signing on for this board, however i have been surfing here quite often.
i really like this place so i decided to sign-up.
Larc,
Sorry, I have been at work and did not get a chance to respond.
Also, sorry to hear of the death of your battery.
I don't think I had Iowa history when I was in school, I am not sure if Iowa was even a state then, so your foggy memory is centainly better than my non-existant memory.
Thank you very much for the lesson, I am truely amazed at all of this unintended education I have received today. I have been greatly new-lightened. Didn't know about Ditto and Iris' son Sam, did Sam have a son?
About the baby thing, I over-heard someone say that they did not come from storks! Could that really be true?
Thank you again for the history lesson.
Borgfree
hi everyboby!!.
i am a newbie in signing on for this board, however i have been surfing here quite often.
i really like this place so i decided to sign-up.
Wow, have I learned a lot this morning. I always thought Ibid was the brother of Iris. Now if I could just find out what ditto means.
BTW, Hi Greven and Coffee.
Borgfree
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents, but rather because its opponents die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck
in amazing's exit series, he mentions one lawyer who works.
exclusively for the watchtower society.
i posted a link to.
That's good nicolaou,
We will award you second prize, envelope please.............second prize....a trip to the UK!
Borgfree
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents, but rather because its opponents die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck
i know a lot of jws that seemed to disappear, and everybody just stopped talking about them.
i would love to be reunited with some of the people i grew up with in good old c-town (cleveland).
i'm 27, and if you lived on the east side of cleveland, i probably knew you.
Sam,
As far as i know the Mucks are still Jws. My son left the org. about a year ago, that was a real blessing to me, but the rest are still hanging on to the WT.
Borgfree
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents, but rather because its opponents die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck
i know a lot of jws that seemed to disappear, and everybody just stopped talking about them.
i would love to be reunited with some of the people i grew up with in good old c-town (cleveland).
i'm 27, and if you lived on the east side of cleveland, i probably knew you.
Sam,
Ed is the older one. Mucks son got into a little trouble, along with some other elders kids. Before they could set up a committee meeting Mrs. Muck took the son and flew to Fla., telling Mr. Muck he could follow them or not but she was not going to let their son be brought before the committee. Mr. Muck followed.
I knew Coopers moved to Indianapolis. That's where they were the last I knew.
Loyd is in a nursing home, he got to much for Veda to handle.
I did not know the whole story of JC, we were once close, I really liked him.
Borgfree
"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents, but rather because its opponents die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck
