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  Apostate minimum qualifications

  by Mum in

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  i was a baptized jw, so now i, to the best of my understanding, am regarded as an apostate by jw's in good standing.. my daughter was never baptized, but she so wants to be an apostate that i have taken pity on her and decided to find out if she qualifies anyway.

  she was brought up as a jw.

  after i left her dad, she mostly lived with him so that the indoctrination could continue.. she lost her religion anyway, so is there any hope for her to be considered an apostate.

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  Moman,

  You can't, that name is exclusively mine.

  Welcome to Apostateville Mums daughter. And congratulations!

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  AMAZING - Exposing Elders (re: Expose Ave...

  by AMNESIAN in

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  replying to:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17880&site=3.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17923&site=3.

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  Amnesian,

  I seriously recommend that you write a book, you have a good start. If you do, I want to buy an autographed copy. Thanks

  PS I have 4 daughters in the WT and 3 sisters, many other family members. My daughters started out very independant and spirited, I loved that. You can guess "the rest of the story"

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  Merry Christmas (US Eastern Time Zone)

  by Skimmer in

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  it is now just past midnight where i am located in the eastern time zone of the united states on december 25th.

  so, a merry christmas from me to all readers in all time zones around the world!.

  i hope i get more than a lump of coal this year.

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  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  A Question no one can answer?

  by moman in

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  a long, long, time ago, when, i waz in dubland,i asked a question to a coulpe of fellow dubs.

  the "question" got me a lot of strange looks & a little "shunning" to boot.

  it waz later spread around i waz boasting of having, "a question no one can answer"which of course, waz not true.. my question: if every decision one makes iz based on heredity & environment,things we originaly have no choice over, do we really have a choice or free will?.

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  ???????????????

  "O Lord, [pleads Jeremiah in the name of the people] I know that [the determination of] the way of a man is not in himself. It is not in man [even in a strong man and a man at his best] to direct his own steps." Jeremiah 10:23 Amp. (Ps. 37:23; Prov. 20:24)

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  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  This Bible Not Original

  by FreePeace in

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  here is an interesting article by a local columnist that underscores the invalidity of the christian religion as god's chosen one.

  it also casts serious doubt on the bible as well as jesus' originality.

  this is really nothing new to those of us who have researched it.. http://www.sun-herald.com/newsarchive2/122301/cl2.htm?date=122301&story=cl2.htm.

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  COMF,

  They must have been doing some kind of magic tricks or they would not have been called magicians. (or whatever translation) But, the bible says they "copied" (somehow) what Moses was doing, but, for only the first three miracles, then, the real power was evident.

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  This Bible Not Original

  by FreePeace in

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  here is an interesting article by a local columnist that underscores the invalidity of the christian religion as god's chosen one.

  it also casts serious doubt on the bible as well as jesus' originality.

  this is really nothing new to those of us who have researched it.. http://www.sun-herald.com/newsarchive2/122301/cl2.htm?date=122301&story=cl2.htm.

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  I can just hear the people of ancient Egypt saying " Oh, all of those "so called" miracles Moses is doing is nothing new, our own magicians have been doing that stuff for years."

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  To: Borgfree / Elder Culpability

  by Amazing in

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  hi borgfree: on freefallins post you noted the following, i know there are some serving as elders etc.

  who may be decent people apart from the wt.

  however, the people they hurt by enforcing the wt doctrines are just as hurt as if done by an unloving elder.

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  Hi Amazing,

  Sorry, I had left the computer for a while. I did not really have in mind an elder who would not enforce WT rules etc. I am thinking of the ones who might be very nice people, kind, generous, viewed by JWs and outsiders as a wonderful person, but, at the same time will enforce the WT orders on the witnesses, such as the blood ban or voting to disfellowship a fellow witness for some infraction. Their descisions affect peoples lives, sometimes severly, I know of a 20 year old JW who committed suicide.

  When I personally was convinced that the WT was false, I prepared a DA letter, thinking that I would use it at some future time. Instead when I had completed it I found that I could not wait and mailed it immediately. Just a personal descision. Each of us must take that step in our own time.

  I also was and am a strong believer in our God and our Lord Jesus, I never lost that. I kept my faith and later "gave my life to our Lord" I say that knowing many here think it is silly, but for me it is very real. I believe that when we give our life to our Lord that ALL of our wrongs that we have committed are forgiven. I have more than my share and am thankful for that forgiveness. Even the apostle Paul did serious wrongs before following Jesus.

  We can only leave our past in the past and move on, we hope, to much better things. I do not wish to condemn any particular elder or JW, I have many in my family, including a son-in-law who is an elder. I pray almost every day for all of them, that their eyes will be opened to the lies of the WT. My prayer was answered less than a year ago when my 21 year old son left the WT and he also gave his life to our Lord. I had practically no contact with him from the time he was baptised in the WT, at about 13 years old.

  I don't blame some for "playing the game" for a while, I know what it feels like to loose all of your family etc. I do not think that a "servant" can, with a good conscience, enforce rules on fellow witnesses that he has come to know to be bad and harmful.

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  ELDERS JUST HERE, and now I'm

  by FreeFallin in

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  confused.

  was in the middle of sending out some last minute "seasons greetings," cards.

  any way, he spoke of the events of the last year, how they were significant, about the brothers going to the trade center and offering comfort from the scriptures, while priests and ministers only offered water and towels, and about the change in subscription arrangement.

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  I know there are some serving as elders etc. who may be decent people apart from the WT. However, the people they hurt by enforcing the WT doctrines are just as hurt as if done by an unloving elder. The innocent children who refuse blood by listening to their parents AND the backing of the GOOD elders are just as dead. As long as these GOOD elders preach and enforce the terrible doctrines of the WT, then they are just as responsible for those wrongs as a bad elder.

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  ELDERS JUST HERE, and now I'm

  by FreeFallin in

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  confused.

  was in the middle of sending out some last minute "seasons greetings," cards.

  any way, he spoke of the events of the last year, how they were significant, about the brothers going to the trade center and offering comfort from the scriptures, while priests and ministers only offered water and towels, and about the change in subscription arrangement.

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  FreeFallin,

  I have found over many years that the jw elders fit the description in the bible (below) than being true friends or brothers.

  "For such men are false apostles - spurious, counterfeits - deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles (special messengers) of Christ, the Messiah. And it is no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light, So it is not surprising if his servants also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. [But] their end will correspond with their deeds." 2 Cor. 11:13-15 Amplified Bible

  Be careful.

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
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  Yet Another New Member

  by BadAssociation in

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  i am yet another new member to the group because, surprise surprise, being a jw makes me miserable.

  i have been raised in the "truth" and have been hating it for a very long time.

  the congregation that i attend is a snake pit, full of judgemental, brain-washed witnesses who will report your every move.

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  Congratulations in advance BadAssociation. My son (21) left less than a year ago and I know he has been having a great time.

  Borgfree

  "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB