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2 Pet. 3:10 "earth and the works in it will be discovered"?? or burned up?
by M.J. inhere's the nwt rendering of the verse:.
(2 peter 3:10) 10 yet jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.. other translations say the earth will "burn up".. nkj: but the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.. ylt: and it will come -- the day of the lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.. same goes for every other translation i've found.. the word in question, katakaio according to the lexicons i've seen only point to the meaning of: burn & consume by fire.. where did the nwt get "discovered" from?.
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2 Pet. 3:10 "earth and the works in it will be discovered"?? or burned up?
by M.J. inhere's the nwt rendering of the verse:.
(2 peter 3:10) 10 yet jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.. other translations say the earth will "burn up".. nkj: but the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.. ylt: and it will come -- the day of the lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.. same goes for every other translation i've found.. the word in question, katakaio according to the lexicons i've seen only point to the meaning of: burn & consume by fire.. where did the nwt get "discovered" from?.
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and this from web.ovc.edu
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2 Pet. 3:10 "earth and the works in it will be discovered"?? or burned up?
by M.J. inhere's the nwt rendering of the verse:.
(2 peter 3:10) 10 yet jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.. other translations say the earth will "burn up".. nkj: but the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.. ylt: and it will come -- the day of the lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.. same goes for every other translation i've found.. the word in question, katakaio according to the lexicons i've seen only point to the meaning of: burn & consume by fire.. where did the nwt get "discovered" from?.
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I found this in the meantime from propadeutic.com:
- 2 Peter 3:10 - The text is confused in the last word of the verse. In some mss. the earth and its works will be burned up. In one they will melt. In some they are destroyed. In some they will not be found. In some they will be found. In one they will be found destroyed. The reading found seems most able to explain the rise of the others, and is meaningful if understood as exposed, laid bare, or possibly found deserving of judgment. Most translations have burned up, and AAT and William have the similar melt. Lamsa is alone in choosing not found. Among those choosing found are NWT, NIV, NAB, NRSV, REB, CEV, GW, NLT1, ISV, NET, ESV, TNIV, MSG, HCSB, and NLT2. GNT has the unlikely reading vanish (similar Moffatt), and here the NIrV is paraphrased beyond recognition�perhaps to avoid the question altogether.
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2 Pet. 3:10 "earth and the works in it will be discovered"?? or burned up?
by M.J. inhere's the nwt rendering of the verse:.
(2 peter 3:10) 10 yet jehovahs day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a hissing noise, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be discovered.. other translations say the earth will "burn up".. nkj: but the day of the lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.. ylt: and it will come -- the day of the lord -- as a thief in the night, in which the heavens with a rushing noise will pass away, and the elements with burning heat be dissolved, and earth and the works in it shall be burnt up.. same goes for every other translation i've found.. the word in question, katakaio according to the lexicons i've seen only point to the meaning of: burn & consume by fire.. where did the nwt get "discovered" from?.
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TheListener
I don't have my critical analysis of the text of the NT handy right now, but as I recall, two early MSS have the Greek word for discovered and not katakaio or burned up.
I will check as soon as I have an opportunity and provide verification and detail or apologies.
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Hebrews - God's Rest?
by TheListener inhebrews - entering god's rest??
what is meant by and how do we enter gods rest?
hebrews the 3rd and 4th chapters tell us about gods rest.
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For the average Christain then, how could we put what this rest is in a simple sentence or two?
Is it the physical resting from works?
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Is it the spiritual resting from having to earn our redemption?
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Is it something else entirely?
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Hebrews - God's Rest?
by TheListener inhebrews - entering god's rest??
what is meant by and how do we enter gods rest?
hebrews the 3rd and 4th chapters tell us about gods rest.
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Hebrews - Entering God's Rest??
What is meant by and how do we enter God’s rest?
Hebrews the 3rd and 4th chapters tell us about God’s rest. Arguments are made to show that God’s rest was not for those who didn’t have faith in the gospel, whether that be ancient Israelites or current individuals; that although God had begun resting on the seventh day he was still at rest and the way was open for some to enter that rest; that in fact some will enter that rest; that the rest wasn’t a physical location (i.e. the promised land).
What exactly is that rest?
Is it as Matthew 11:28-30 says "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
It seems then that we can enter God’s rest by our belief in Jesus Christ. Do we need to supplement our belief in Jesus with works and efforts? Or are those things unnecessary to enter God’s rest and is that why the writer of Hebrews referred to this rest as a “Sabbath rest”?
If the Sabbath was the physical forerunner to the spiritual rest discussed by Jesus in Matthew and the writer of Hebrews in the opening chapters this seems to be one more nail in the coffin of works versus faith argument.
So then is this rest of God a spiritual rest, which means that we can rest assured that our redemption through Jesus was assured when he died for our sins? That while in this rest we can have a relationship with God? That all of this is due to our mediator, high priest and king Jesus Christ and the value of his sacrifice?
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Help Me Understand Something-Education/Dating
by tarhillsblue inanyone that can help me understand this scenerio please explain.
i am relatively new in "the truth".
i am struggling with some logical things here.
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TheListener
Oops. I don't know why but I thought Tarhillsblue was a female. My mistake. Other than the gender slip my previous post still stands.
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2007 District Convention "Follow the Christ!"
by TheListener inhaven't seen this yet so if anyone posted this already i apologize.. .
the theme for the 2007 district conventions is "follow the christ!
" i'm sure more information on the program will follow..
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Thank you doubting bro. I was beginning to think the KM I saw was a fake and I was the victim of a plot to smoke me out. Whew.
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2007 District Convention "Follow the Christ!"
by TheListener inhaven't seen this yet so if anyone posted this already i apologize.. .
the theme for the 2007 district conventions is "follow the christ!
" i'm sure more information on the program will follow..
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It's true that Jesus as presented in the Bible isn't what the dubs teach and they certainly follow men instead. However, they talk about Jesus all the time, in meetings, service, etc etc. As far as the average dub is concerned Jesus is the head of their organization. They are Jesus freaks in their opinion. Even though we know that isn't true, they don't. A Convention with this title will help reinforce the rank and file in believing that they believe in Jesus.
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2007 District Convention "Follow the Christ!"
by TheListener inhaven't seen this yet so if anyone posted this already i apologize.. .
the theme for the 2007 district conventions is "follow the christ!
" i'm sure more information on the program will follow..
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It was in the KM.