My sons asked me once if i ever shook hands with bro.so and so? I said sometimes, why? They said he doesn't wash his hands when he goes to the toilet!!! I stopped immediately.
This shaking hands as a sign of brotherly love is a bad thing.
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Are Witnesses really this stupid that they need to be told this?
by kurtbethel ineven after years of study at awake u?.
taken from a yahoo group discussion:.
> on local needs this week, wash hands after using restroom.
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The Truth Of "Serving" As An Elder
by minimus inwho the hell are "the elders"?
being an elder is supposed to be a "privilege".
elders are supposed to be "shepherds" who care for the flock.
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geevee
Hi All,
Yes I was an elder once too... I strived hard for it. I was a bit of a hard playing, drinking young man, as were my other friends. We would go away most weekends and drink ourselves into oblivion, hardly do any door to door, a real token server. At one stage, I had a couple of discussions with two of my friends, and we decided we either had to get in properly or get out. Sdaly we chose to stay, bought into the whole mythology and then tidied up our acts. Got going door to door, answering up, being helpful and so on. In no time I was recommended as a MS.
At the same time I started courting my now wife, we got married and I kept my head down trying to please everyone. We had two children, I accepted posts serving food in the cafeteria at circuit and district assemblies, and tried to generally help run things in that department. What I didn't get was that my wife was having a real struggle. She had to manage the children, while I rubbed shouldres with the local elite! I saw this as her sacrifice, she shouldn't complain about it really, it was for GOD after all.....
Eventually the call came. Rushed to the back of the hall after the CO visit... "Do you know any reason why you shouldn't be appointed as an elder?" What do they expect you to say? This was my hopes and dreams coming true! Years invested in the process. My wife and children invested in my ambition!
Wasn't too long and I got to be on my first judicial committee! WOW the big league! Life and Death in ones hands....
then more and more, in my time as an elder, nearly 12 years I was on every JC bar one. Gutted plenty of people, sentenced them to death! Thankfully since leaving I have been able to apologize to nearly all of them.
Luckily when the time come to leave this madness, my wife and teenaged children were all in favor. They saw the light before I did. We escaped together. So what an absolute waste of time it was.
They say it is abvout serving, not about position. What BS that is [not bible study either!!!]. It is all about looking the goods, model family, family study, helping others, pleasing those men who are higher up the ladder than you. You can never be good enough.
The whole arrangement is based on mock humility. So long as no one sees you bleeding, your wife or children bleeding, so long as you can keep up the pretense, give the talks, look the part, say the right things, don't piss off the wrong people. What a massive juggling act, then some one critisizes you for some supposed misdemeanor, what was it all worth?
I am so glad to have nothing to do with it. Mind control at it's absolute worst. You will never catch the dangling carrot!!! NOt ever!
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Is it alowed to watch / read Harry Potter movies (books) in your area?....
by Albert Einstein inis it alowed to watch / read harry potter movies (books) in your area?.
in my country (eastern europe) it is viewed mostly as "unexemplary" , although many kids have harry potter dvds at home, but nobody talks about it .... at circuit assembly one speaker warned, that "some might be tempted to watch a movie, with a little witch .... (of course it is very dangerous and we must stay away!!!)".
when i started my departure several months ago, i made sure my son has all movies on dvd and i openly talk about it with dubs who visit our home - how nice the movies are - ... nobody so far dared to react.... albert .
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geevee
We had a guy taking the watchtower study absolutely decry Harry Potter. This was then backed up by comments from others.
After the study, I asked him whether he had infact seen any Harry Potter movies at all... it was a very strong comment, he hadn't. I said I have and it isn't how he described at all. It was a story written for kids to use their imaginations! Like Enid Blyton's Faraway tree.
I was an elder then too!!!!
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geevee
In the mid seventies, a family that i knew caught an elder peeping through the bathroom window at their 12 year old daughter...... I bet there were red faces all round. They didn't persue it, he had a very lame excuse as to why he was there! One of gods chosen holy spirit appointed!
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Did you loose your faith after leaving the false?
by wtfmidoing innew to this and as a nonbeliever i would like to ask how many people lost their belief in a god after leaving the wts.
what opened your eyes?
what made the light get brighter?
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geevee
After wasting forty years, I am done!
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Question for Any current Elders or recently departed elders
by geevee ini have been asked about a situation in which a former witnesses ladies now ex-husband has been caught exposing himself, and this has gone on for at least 15 years.
he has also exposed himself to some close family members.
the question relates to the wt explaination of "porniea".
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B the exB, Thanks for the input. Open to interpretation, certainly. Spiritual danger.... that's a good line that I will suggest to her. So technical, so much rubbish.
Yes the ex needs much help. He is getting "spiritual" help from the cong.... that's good to know, it is sure to help..... NOT! See a professional, I doubt it.
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Question for Any current Elders or recently departed elders
by geevee ini have been asked about a situation in which a former witnesses ladies now ex-husband has been caught exposing himself, and this has gone on for at least 15 years.
he has also exposed himself to some close family members.
the question relates to the wt explaination of "porniea".
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geevee
Thanks, I did say to her that I think that as far as I can remember it sounds like it could be argued in her favor. Like you say, just say it is so, and it is.
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Question for Any current Elders or recently departed elders
by geevee ini have been asked about a situation in which a former witnesses ladies now ex-husband has been caught exposing himself, and this has gone on for at least 15 years.
he has also exposed himself to some close family members.
the question relates to the wt explaination of "porniea".
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geevee
Hi, Fair point...why are you bothering. This woman wants to be able to satisfy her jw family that she has been wronged, and wants to be able to justify, using jw logic that she is able to move on with her life. She would like to be able to do that with the possibility of being able to still speak to any of her family that might still want to talk and have contact with her.
I know it is twisted, but then that is what happens after you have been in and are moving away from this destructive sect/cult.
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Let me get this straight.
by elder-schmelder ininsight book under chronology:.
other factors allowing for differences.
casual students of ancient history often labor under the misconception that the cuneiform tablets (such as may have been used by berossus) were always written at the same time or shortly after the events recorded on them.
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geevee
Hi.... remember it is the wt way of discounting the fact that they have it wrong. So regardless of what any secular source might say, if you bag and rubbish the source, that means it is no longer accurate [in jw speak that is] Remember the comments of Ray Franz in Crisis of Conscience. That was part of his job on the writing committee. If you cant find a credible source to back your erroneous position, then criticize the cridible ones. Make them sound wrong.
The have forgotten about all the archeological work done in the 20th century that supports legitimate history
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Question for Any current Elders or recently departed elders
by geevee ini have been asked about a situation in which a former witnesses ladies now ex-husband has been caught exposing himself, and this has gone on for at least 15 years.
he has also exposed himself to some close family members.
the question relates to the wt explaination of "porniea".
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geevee
Hi All,
I have been asked about a situation in which a former witnesses ladies now ex-husband has been caught exposing himself, and this has gone on for at least 15 years. He has also exposed himself to some close family members. The question relates to the WT explaination of "porniea". This is obvoiusly beyond masturbation. Whilst I am not sure if the victim actually touched or was force to touch him, it could be argued that there was another person involved willingly or unwillingly. While I have pdf copies of the ks91 and a word document copy that includes my notes, I have been out of the system for over 4 years now and it may not be up to date.
What [in the wt mind] constitutes porniea?
Thanks in advance........... It is not much fun trying to link back to that mind set!