Posts by slimboyfat

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John 5:27 and Harners thesis

by Blotty in

conclusion to harners thesis: https://digilander.libero.it/domingo7/h7.jpg.

in 1973 a scholar by the name of philip b harner published an article in the journal of biblical literature that would be "revolutionary" he concluded that anarthorous predicate nouns preceeding the verb were primarily qualitative in nature.. in my view harner was correct, though he didn't agree with the "a god" rendering he also disliked the "god" rendering in john 1:1c providing an alternative which bibles like the net have paraphrased (to my knowledge).

one he didn't cover in his thesis was john 5:27 i would say this "authoratative" why?

slimboyfat

Jewish and Hellenistic culture referred to subordinate divine beings as “gods” and it is clear that John was using the word in this sense, the same as Philo, and later Justin Martyr, Origen and others, to refer to a “second god” or “divine being” who is subordinate the one true God.

Any fair reading of the gospel of John as a whole results in the conclusion that Jesus is distinct and subordinate to God.

Jesus said plainly in John 17.3 that the Father is “the only true God”. It is stretching language and logic beyond what it can bear to assert that what Jesus really meant is: “you are the only true God and so am I.” Has anyone who has ever said “you are the only (something)” ever meant to imply that they themselves are that something as well? Nobody reading the gospel of John without any knowledge of Trinitarian dogma would ever reach that conclusion by themselves. It’s complete nonsense.

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Tried unwitnessing at LDS carts today

by joe134cd in

i was walking through a market today, and spotted lds cart witnessing.

so i thought, what the hell, i’ll give him a go.

i focused on the character of joe smith.

slimboyfat

I once met a man in a Seventh-day Adventist Church who had been baptised as a Jehovah’s Witness, then a Mormon, and now is a Seventh-day Adventist. Some people seem to collect sectarian memberships like badges. Not a lot of people, but a peculiar minority do. This guy said he left the Jehovah’s Witnesses because they were anti-Semitic and he left the Mormons because all they wanted was his money. He claimed that as soon as he was baptised the Mormons asked for his credit card details while he was still wet from the baptism pool. I asked him why he thought JWs were anti-Semitic because this is something I had not come across. He claimed it was a statement in a Watchtower Study against the Jews. He did not make much sense to be honest. The funny thing was he was also critical about the Seventh-day Adventist Church when I met him (over three years ago, before the pandemic) so he may be onto his next church by now. What’s next? The Iglesia ni Cristo maybe? Or a Pentecostal group? 🤔

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

The "hotel maid" pictures you referenced were taken with Cara (pronounced "Sara") who is, at least to my knowledge, not a hotel maid. One of the rare enjoyable moments during my trip was spent with her and her friends. We met for dinner, ate some street food, had some drinks, and played some pool at the bar. All the while she was flirting with me - holding my hand, touching my leg, letting me put my arm around her. Then after walking her back to her hotel with her

What a disgusting moron to write that to his wife. It’s hard to fathom a mind that thinks this is anything to brag about to anyone under any circumstances.

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John 5:27 and Harners thesis

by Blotty in

conclusion to harners thesis: https://digilander.libero.it/domingo7/h7.jpg.

in 1973 a scholar by the name of philip b harner published an article in the journal of biblical literature that would be "revolutionary" he concluded that anarthorous predicate nouns preceeding the verb were primarily qualitative in nature.. in my view harner was correct, though he didn't agree with the "a god" rendering he also disliked the "god" rendering in john 1:1c providing an alternative which bibles like the net have paraphrased (to my knowledge).

one he didn't cover in his thesis was john 5:27 i would say this "authoratative" why?

slimboyfat

To Harner was essentially trying to provide a Trinitarian solution to John1.1c that was more credible than Colwell’s rule because it didn’t hold water.

Have you seen the recent article on John 1.1 (apparently the author is a JW)?

https://brill.com/downloadpdf/journals/hbth/44/2/article-p141_2.pdf

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Why didn't God create us to be obviously different?

by SydBarrett in

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a silly question since i'm an atheist but one i thought of as a kid jw.

why weren't human's created to be obviously different from animals?

among believers there is some sort of universal hierarchy.

slimboyfat

Isn’t the remarkable thing about humans just how different we are from other creatures? I know what you mean in that we are mammals and we are morphologically similar other primates and so on. But in terms of inner life, and our expression of meaning, is there any other creature that even comes close to humans?

Who’s the scientist who likes to point out that human DNA is only 2% different from other primates, yet in the space of that difference exist Mozart, Michelangelo, and men going to the moon?

Atheist philosopher Raymond Tallis argues strongly that humans are different from other animals in extraordinary ways. See his book Aping Mankind:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/sep/16/aping-mankind-raymond-tallis-review

To me, the uniqueness of humans is what makes me suspect that we really are in some sense “in the image of God”. As it is, we know of no other creature alive that appreciates the vastness and complexity of existence as humans do, or ponders the nature of existence, or all the other many facets of human consciousness that make us unique. Crows are very intelligent, and elephants have seemingly complex social and emotional lives, to give two examples in nature. Nevertheless humans display such range and diversely intricate social and intellectual lives, on a different scale than other animals, that seemingly set us apart from all other creatures.

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Tried unwitnessing at LDS carts today

by joe134cd in

i was walking through a market today, and spotted lds cart witnessing.

so i thought, what the hell, i’ll give him a go.

i focused on the character of joe smith.

slimboyfat

Me neither. Are they copying JWs? Do they have posters on the carts, and literature to hand out?

Pictures would be good 👍

Searching “Mormon preaching carts” on google only produces hand carried wooden wheels and nineteenth century costumes 🤔

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

It strikes me that (as far as I know) he never talks to any of his guests about the so-called ‘defamation campaign’ and events that have brought his business down over the past year. If he was genuinely the victim of an ‘injustice’ wouldn’t he talk about it with people in livestreams and so on? Of course he would. He’d be all over it like a rash.

The fact that he never talks about it with people on his channel indicates that he is fully aware that no reasonable person would agree with his version of events. He tried it out with Andrew Gold and failed miserably and now he’s learned his lesson. He probably could get a few of his crazier followers to come on his channel and agree with his version of events but they are so crazy they might end up saying such mental stuff that would undermine him even more.

Come to think on it, the one person he did chat with about it on his channel was Tibor. That’s telling in itself because Tibor’s job literally depends on him agreeing with LE’s version of events. But outside of people whose job depends on agreeing with LE on the so-called ‘defamation campaign’ he knows there’s nobody, so he avoids talking about the subject. This makes me suspect he knows he’s in the wrong. A person who genuinely thought they were in the right and being victimised probably couldn’t stop themselves from talking about it. His strategic silence speaks volumes.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Small clip I saw he was blathering on how he doesn’t like to cover this topic because of the harrowing stories. I can think of another reason he doesn’t like to cover the topic.

If his guests don’t know his backstory I think they were there under false pretences. If they do know, that’s their bad choice to make I suppose.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

slimboyfat

Any body clicking briefly on his vids for any reason remember you can avail yourself of the dislike button 👎

I quickly buzzed through the video and he got a few donations including 27.99 dollars from Canada and 9.99 dollars for his “efforts”. Probably some others I missed. The donations appear in his livestream comments, but they are different than the later video comments. The donations we know about are the ones he chooses to highlight during the video, which may or may not be all of the donations he got during the livestream. Slim pickings compared to the glory days anyway.

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"How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

by BoogerMan in

simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

slimboyfat

BoogerMan I think you’re correct if you’re saying that the teaching about Jesus beginning his reign in 1914 but the 1000 years not starting in 1914 is confusing. At least I found it confusing as a JW.

Nevertheless that is what they teach. So to press the point that if they did teach the 1000 years started in 1914 then the clock would be running on that time seems beside the point - because they don’t teach that.