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  Colossian 1:16 - "all OTHER things"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  due to their apparent theological bias, the watchtower shamelessly inserts the word "other" in order to "make room" for their own idea that jesus is also a created being.

  it is clear that jehovah's witnesses try to avoid having to admit that christ created everything because "the one who constructed all things is god" (hebrews 3:4).

  instead, the society teaches that "christ was the only one created by god," and that then he "created everything else with jehovah.

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  For the Son of God, ‘the First-born of all creation’, although He seemed recently to have become incarnate, is not by any means on that account recent. For the holy Scriptures know Him to be the most ancient of all the works of creation; for it was to Him that God said regarding the creation of man, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness’

  Origen, Contra Celsum, 5.37

  https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04165.htm
  
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  Colossian 1:16 - "all OTHER things"

  by aqwsed12345 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  due to their apparent theological bias, the watchtower shamelessly inserts the word "other" in order to "make room" for their own idea that jesus is also a created being.

  it is clear that jehovah's witnesses try to avoid having to admit that christ created everything because "the one who constructed all things is god" (hebrews 3:4).

  instead, the society teaches that "christ was the only one created by god," and that then he "created everything else with jehovah.

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  In the original Greek it's eikon. if you're really Greek, you should know that is word has a much deeper meaning the the English word "image".

  
  

  “Arius agrees with early Christian conclusions that God the Father is necessarily uncreated and un- begotten, and yet, because the Son is created and begotten, as he finds in the words of Colossians 1, the Son cannot truly be God … Arius’s theology is not based on a new understanding of Colossians 1:15, but rather builds on how this same passage had already been used by early Christian writers. … The problem with Colossians 1:15 is that the Arians’ interpretation of this passage to defend Christ as creature and not fully divine is entirely plausible, and the problem for Athanasius and his sympathizers is that the basic sense of Colossians 1:15 leads to Arianism.”

  Jennifer Strawbridge, ‘The Image and Unity of God: The Role of Colossians I in Theological Controversy’, in The Bible and Early Trinitarian Theology, Ed. Christopher A. Beeley and Mark E. Weedman (2018), pages 188 and 189.
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  All the Old JW Acquaintances Passing Away

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yesterday, my dad told me an older sister passed away.

  she wasn't too old (in her 60s), but i knew her 30 years ago and haven't seen her in 15 years; the main reason being that i faded 10 years ago.. yesterday, i seriously considered attending the funeral and catch-up with old jws i used to know.

  after thinking it over, i decided against it.

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  Personally, I would go. People might attempt to put pressure on, but then again maybe not, you might be surprised. I think a lot of JWs have mellowed. People who you liked and who liked you might just be pleased to see you. It depends on the specifics of the situation, but I do see the capacity of longtime JWs to acknowledge old connections with faded members without the need to turn it sour. But every situation is unique and different places probably have different cultures.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  The biggest jump upwards in early 2021 was when they had an earthquake in Croatia and lots of people started sending them thousands and joined his Patreon. In fact at one point LE said publicly that they ‘had enough money’. Just imagine how much money people had sent them for even LE to say it was enough!

  The good news is that, even with the latest begging boost, he is still below the 2021 pre-earthquake level. The bad news is that attrition at this rate is likely to drag on for years.

  Plus the cost of his latest begging video seems to be that Reddit has turned against him. That’s going to make it harder each time he tries to beg for more.

  Meanwhile of course, he has the drudgery of trying to produce more of his stupid videos, which is probably almost as boring to make as they are to watch. I see his latest videos had around 3k views.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
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  original reddit post (removed).

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  No, the lowest level was 392. You can follow it here:

  https://graphtreon.com/creator/cedars
  

  
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Or put it another way, if this is how they treat someone who retires for health reasons (no thanks, but silence, removal of some of his videos, and gossip allowed to run wild) then it’s almost a worse indictment on the workings of the GB than either his removal or resignation.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Also if everything was rosey then they would have talked about it, even had him on one of the talk shows or interview thanking him for his hard work all these years

  Absolutely, there’s no way AMIII went for age or health reasons. The JWs parroting that line know it’s not true themselves, on some level. It’s more like a party line than a plausible explanation.

  It feels like some people I’ve talked to about the US blowing up the Russian pipeline. Most people realise on some level, despite the blanket propaganda in our media, that the idea of Russia blowing up its own pipeline is pretty stupid, but you’re still a traitor for saying it out loud.
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  Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"

  by yogosans14 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

  all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

  " (col. 1:15-17, for context.

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  “Firstborn of all creation” in Col 1.15 clearly means that Jesus is God’s first creation, just as surely as “firstborn from among the dead” in Col 1.18 means that Jesus was the first one permanently raised from the dead. The idea that the passage is not clear about Jesus being a creature just because it doesn’t add the word “other” is weak. Besides which, the passage is an allusion to Prov 8.22, which in the LXX, the Bible of the early church, clearly stated that Jehovah created wisdom as the beginning of his works, a passage that early Christian writers were unanimous (including Trinitarians) applied to Jesus. Plus there is Rev 3.14, Jesus is described as “the beginning of the creation of God”, and John 6.57, where Jesus says, “I live because of the Father”. It was in later centuries that Jesus’ status as the first creation of God was disputed and overturned at Nicaea in 325 AD.
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  Is a piano inevitable?

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. current

  i was at a concert last night and the presence and stature of the piano struck me.

  and i thought: if the piano wasn't invented when it was, would it have been invented by someone else instead?

  or if there was a world the same as our, except with a different history, would it have pianos now too or would it be modern world, similar in many respects, only without pianos?

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  Inevitably, I come back to this thread, because I now think that a piano is NOT inevitable.
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  Charles the Third and the Two-Headed Beast

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was reading an article about the pomp and circumstance around the first coronation in nearly a century.. made me think of the revelation book (the red one, not the bible) and the picture of the two headed beast with a sword and if i have some time today i will see if i can’t find it and age it a bit, it seems the sword is a bit dull and the two heads are now both octogenarians with severe dementia, kind of funny to see that instead of “swift judgment” we’ve come to internal decay.. what do you canadians, english, scots, irish and australians think about your new leadership?.

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  Amusingly the supermarkets are offering flags and bunting for sale in Scotland. I’ve not seen a single taker.