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Your Top Ten Favourite Movies?
by LoveUniHateExams injust thought i'd start a thread about favourite movies.
mine, in no particular order, are .... alien - a great visual film.
the chest-bursting scene is still great to watch, no matter how many times i've seen the movie.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
I find it very easy to listen to Zizek. He has ten interesting ideas a minute. His take on the book of Job has fascinated me for years. I like it. But he is no expert on the Bible or theology. Leolaia pointed out that he may have misunderstood Job, which is not his own reading, but based on Chesterton. Plus he apparently confuses Origen with Tertullian during the interview.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
He talks in more detail about the New Atheists in the full interview.
Maybe you think the two quotes from me are contradictory but I don't think so. Zizek seems to be saying that Jesus undermined the family to create a more egalitarian society, not that he made families more egalitarian.
Like I said above, undermining family can be a good or a bad thing, depending on context. And remembering that the idea of "family" is itself a fluid concept, meaning radically different things in 1) tribes 2) feudal societies 3) capitalist and 4) late capitalist societies, to name a few. There were ways in which capitalism undermined feudal conceptions of family which were both emancipatory and oppressive. Developments are rarely all good or bad. Hence the endless debates about the merits and demerits of the Thatcher revolution, or revolutionary Cuba, and so on.
So I don't subscribe to the idea that anything that undermines family is tyrannical. Sometimes that's true, of course. And sometimes family itself can be tyrannical. Reality is complicated and not easily, or wisely, reduced to fixed statements.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
I don't know. I think Jesus was just saying that being his follower was more important than anything else. This, if followed, has dramatic social consequences, but these appear to be incidental rather than the the goal. So many lives altered, as with JWs, not as the main goal, but as a byproduct.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
I don't think Zizek said anything about a more egalitarian family structure either. Zizek isn't a theologian, he's a philosopher and an atheist. And you haven't watched much of the interview, it seems. It's difficult to discuss a topic with someone who feels that ignorance of the topic is a virtue.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
Capitalism, democracy and feminism have all been highly disruptive of family structures. The trouble with reality is that causes and effects are mixed in their desirability. As Dylan Thomas said: "the force that through the green fuse drives the flower, drives my green age, that blasts the roots of trees is my destroyer." The complicated and disturbing thing about the world is that the same things that bring good also bring destruction. Which is why ideology disappoints, whether that be Maoism, or capitalism or even democracy. Which in turn why Rortian pragmatism is so valuable, with its appreciation for irony and contingency.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
Sometimes families can be a refuge from outside authorities (religious, secular, legal, educational, whatever). And sometimes vice versa. Sometimes a good family can save someone from a bad religious authority. And sometimes a religious authority can function as a refuge from a bad family environment. Life is complicated. There are of course many cases where becoming a JW has been a net benefit to a person's life. It's not all one or their other. On a more fundamental level I think Zizek is saying that the subversion of family structure opens the way for egalitarian and non-hierarchical forms of relationship. Incidentally our modern conception of sibling relationships may be egalitarian, but that was probably not the case among first century Jews who had a very strong sense of hierarchy, including primogeniture.
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
Full interview here:
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God expresses his perplexity at his own creation
by slimboyfat injust got to share this, zizek at his very best.
explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts christianity to paganism where god is subject to a superior notion of justice.
how the injunction from jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the holy spirit is a symbol.
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slimboyfat
Just got to share this, Zizek at his very best.
Explaining how the traditional view of the ransom makes no sense and reverts Christianity to paganism where God is subject to a superior notion of justice. How the injunction from Jesus to hate mother, father, brothers and sisters is really a call for a non-hierarchical society, of which the Holy Spirit is a symbol. How the book of Job is a profoundly anti-ideological statement of the chaotic nature of existence, which is a mystery even to God. And how this realisation in turn explains the real meaning of the crucifixion. The Christian God is the only God to experience atheism directly himself (on the cross, "my God why have you forsaken me?"). And how we need Christianity now more than ever. And Christniary is the only route to genuine atheism. Brilliant analysis.