Posts by slimboyfat

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What is the watchtower going to do when

by pepperheart in

what is the watchtower going to do when the money runs out ??

?.

slimboyfat

They spend quarter of a billion a year on missionaries, pioneeers and circuit overseers alone. How much more on HQ and branches?

Plus why assume there was no leverage on the properties they sold?

Plus how much did they lose in the 2008 crash?

Plus didn't Lett say the sale of one building only covers running costs for a a few months?

Plus are't JWs the least well educated, lowest paid religious group in the US?

Plus haven't JWs always boasted that they don't beg for donations and hasn't that bred a "receive free" attitude in many JWs?

Plus haven't they lost their biggest source of income which was book and magazine sales?

Plus don't they lack exactly the sort of political connections that other groups exploit for financial and other advantages of various kinds?

I could go on. There is every reason to suspect JWs are an increasing poor religion, and every evidence of panic in the leadership at the realisation they are running out of funds.

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What is the watchtower going to do when

by pepperheart in

what is the watchtower going to do when the money runs out ??

?.

slimboyfat

Stop printing literature, sack lots of bethelites and DOs, close branches, consolidate Kingdom Halls, ask for more donations.

Hang on, has the money already run out?

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White supremacy is an ideology of peace

by OneEyedJoe in

i'm tired of hearing these constant attacks on white supremacists after the events in charlottesville.

why are moderate white supremacists being lumped in together and sharing the blame for the actions of one reprehensible man that misinterpreted the ideals of white supremacy and became violent?

clearly the motivation of such attacks on white supremacists is nothing other than racism.

slimboyfat

Oh yeah, like this forum hasn't gone mental or anything. Not at all.

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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction

by Magnum in

so, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.

on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?

was it for more and/or better control?

slimboyfat

Is there anything tangible left from these plans? Letters, videos, documents?

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in retrospect: RBCs vs LDCs / the hype about a lot of new construction and subsequent abrupt halt to construction

by Magnum in

so, now that some time has passed, i’d like some input/thoughts/analysis/etc.

on the jw construction situation in the last few years.. first, why did they discontinue the rbc arrangement and institute the ldc arrangement?

was it for more and/or better control?

slimboyfat

My personal opinion is that they had a sudden financial reversal and had to change plans.

Remenber they produced a calendar praising increased construction, that was released in time to coincide with the halt in construction?

Nowadays they've stopped publishing calendars altogether as an unnecessary expense.

i hope someone has documented in full the hype that surrounded the "increased construction" and the subsequent climbdown, from elder letters, broadcast statements and so on.

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Atheism is likely as old as Religious thinking - thinkers often doubted the existence of supernatural beings.

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

i've only just discovered an important book on the topic of atheism was published in 2015. it's title is, "battling the gods: atheism in the world.

" by tim whitmarsh, professor of greek culture at the uk's university of cambridge.. whitmarsh reviews a 1000 years of greek/roman writings and can demonstrate that the surviving writings of many famous ancient authors discussed disbelief in the god(s).that alone casts doubts on the concept many 'believers' today promote, that a belief in divinities is hard wired into the brain.

and, just as clearly, atheism is not just a modern view.. whitmarsh argues, " that early societies were far more capable than many since of containing atheism within the spectrum of what they considered normal.

slimboyfat

This book about seculatisation.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sacred-Secular-Religion-Worldwide-Cambridge/dp/1107648378

It seems robust methodologically and has been praised by other social scientists of religion such as Steve Bruce.

It uses social attitude surveys and compares them with a security and development index (from memory, I can't remember the exact term) to conclude that: religion thrives in societies that are unstable and insecure and it diminishes in peaceful societies with strong social security provisions.

So it concludes religion is declining in the west but is robust elsewhere. And because of demographic patterns in poor countries compared with wealthy countries, the percentage of atheists is going down globally while the number of believers is increasing.

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Atheism is likely as old as Religious thinking - thinkers often doubted the existence of supernatural beings.

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

i've only just discovered an important book on the topic of atheism was published in 2015. it's title is, "battling the gods: atheism in the world.

" by tim whitmarsh, professor of greek culture at the uk's university of cambridge.. whitmarsh reviews a 1000 years of greek/roman writings and can demonstrate that the surviving writings of many famous ancient authors discussed disbelief in the god(s).that alone casts doubts on the concept many 'believers' today promote, that a belief in divinities is hard wired into the brain.

and, just as clearly, atheism is not just a modern view.. whitmarsh argues, " that early societies were far more capable than many since of containing atheism within the spectrum of what they considered normal.

slimboyfat

Yes I've got this book. Not read it I must admit. But I didn't find the proposition surprising, so far as I gather. I had anyway thought that belief and non-belief have a long and paired history. I think some atheists have this notion that at one time everyone believed in God(s) but that with the advent of the enlightenment atheism has steadily grown and will eclipse belief.

In actual fact there are a number of problems with this. At the moment the proportion of atheists appears to be going down not up. This is because believers have much higher fertility than atheists. Plus when most people turn away from religion (as many are in the west) they tend toward mysticism, apathy and agnosticism, rather than atheism. In fact Steve Bruce boldly argued that atheism is a symptom of religions societies, and that as society secularises we can expect the proportion who identify as atheist to go down rather than up.

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Juarez MX Assembly Kingdom Hall to be sold.

by ironsnake656 in

there are several confirmed announcements in some congregations around the city regarding the sale of the assembly kingdom hall.

one of the reasons why it will be sold is that expenses are not covered by donations.

the hall was dedicated in 2009. actually, in some congregations the elders have not given the announcement for the publisher's reaction... .

slimboyfat

I think they're in real financial trouble and simply have no option but to sell assets to stay affloat. It's not part of a long term strategy, it's panic selling. What are they going to do when they run out of assets to sell?

Plus selling assets may produce a downward spiral, as morale goes down, contributions go down, and more assets need to be sold.

It's no wonder really when you think about it. JWs are a worldwide publishing company with dozens of expensive branches and tens of thousands of workers, but since the 1990s no reliable steady source of revenue. Voluntary donations clearly never made up for the charges for literature. Now they don't know what to do, except to sell the assets they accumulated during the good times.

Mexico was once a major area of growth for JWs at 5% plus increase per year. Now it's close to zero.

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The most absurd reason have you heard someone disfellowshipped for ?

by Chook in

someone said on forum they knew someone df for not going to assigned meeting in old days .

slimboyfat

One couple for practising Feng Shui, a sister for smoking, and a brother for running a business that provided Christmas entertainment. At least those are the reasons I heard for the disfellowshippings. Not being an elder or a great gossip gatherer I can't be completely sure about the details.

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Beautiful new kingdom song

by slimboyfat in

has anyone noticed this new song?

i think it's absolutely beautiful.

it's got a film score quality about it, with depth and feeling.

slimboyfat

143 in the 2009 songbook and 77 in the 2016 songbook.

I wonder why there are fewer songs in the 2016 songbook, and what songs fhey dropped.

i think it's a pretty good song. But at the same time I didn't mean to exaggerate. Last month we heard A German Requiem by Brahms in Greyfriars Kirk. The "dwelling place" song had been my favourite, but this time the song about all flesh turning to grass was amazing. Much better than any Kingdom Song and written by an atheist. Truly amazing music.

https://youtu.be/lOu6l7PzYes

https://youtu.be/I17f73txBHE