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  Round and round the not so marigoround

  by Coded Logic in

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  i find most theist arguments to be either confused or dishonest at best.

  and most of them i regard with mild annoyance.

  but there is one track of thinking that is so stupid it really gets under my skin: when, in order to try and prop up "faith", people try and tear down reason and critical thinking.

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  slimboyfat

  I don't think there is anything definite we can say about anything. Like philosopher Quine said: "no statemeant is immune to revision".

  Which is not the same as saying we cannot make claims and give reasons for them. The problems arise when people start saying: "this is the only legitimate answer". Such as the atheistic answer to the problem of evil for example. Or any particular theistic response for that matter.

  If people are making definite statements about God I object to that too.

  Science is great at answering all sorts of questions, which beguiles some into thinking it should be able to answer all important questions. Dawkins as a "professor for public understanding of science" added much confusion in this regard.

  I notice that the next scientist to hold this post has attempted to remedy the situation by explaining there are questions science cannot answer, including the existence or otherwise of God.

  https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/jun/29/what-we-cannot-know-marcus-du-sautoy-review
  
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

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  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  I don't know if any particular interpretation makes a person "more" or "less" Muslim, either moderate or extreme.

  What I said is that claiming the only "good" kind of Muslim is an apostate or ex-Muslim is an attempt to stigmatise anyone who claims to be a Muslim by forcing them either to renounce the identity or by categorising them as not "good".
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

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  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  "Crusade" is in quotation marks to indicate a quotation - from Bush. He stopped using the word when he was told it was politically inconvenient.
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

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  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  Jesus said if we don't hate mother and father and brother and sister, we are not his followers. Forsake them. Let the dead bury the dead. Don't look at the things behind. It's a prominent theme of the gospels.

  If you are going to insist a real Muslim must follow extreme verses, why do you excuse Christians from the same?

  A moderate Muslim has an enlightened view of the text, just the same as a Christian does.

  There is as much scope to carve a violent interpretation of the Bible as there is the Quran, as two thousand years of history testifies.
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

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  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5373525/Tony-Blair-believed-God-wanted-him-to-go-to-war-to-fight-evil-claims-his-mentor.html

  The Bible gets better? In the NT Jesus said he brought a sword not peace, and to turn family members against one another. The last book Revelation says those who don't fall down and worship God and his lamb will be destroyed, and repeats it using various violent images.
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

  1. social
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  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  You seem to be confusing "things people chose to do" with "things people do because their religion commands it".

  Nope.

  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa
  
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  The Study edition of Luke NWT Now on JW.ORG...great, now they dig even deeper into the pile of muck

  by NikL in

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  so had to check it out to see what it's all about.. what i got was more cloudiness.

  as in luke 2:9.... suddenly jehovah’s angel stood before them, and jehovah’s glory gleamed around them, and they became very fearful.

  the notes point out.... jehovah’s angel: this expression occurs many times in the hebrew scriptures, starting at ge 16:7. when it occurs in early copies of the septuagint, the greek word agʹge·los (angel; messenger) is followed by the divine name written in hebrew characters.

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  The appendix says:

  Recognized Bible translators have used God’s name in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Some of these translators did so long before the New World Translation was produced. These translators and their works include: A Literal Translation of the New Testament . . . From the Text of the Vatican Manuscript, by Herman Heinfetter (1863); The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864); The Epistles of Paul in Modern English, by George Barker Stevens (1898); St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, by W. G. Rutherford (1900); The New Testament Letters, byJ.W.C.Wand, Bishop of London (1946). In addition, in a Spanish translation in the early 20th century, translator Pablo Besson used “Jehova ́ ” at Luke 2:15 and Jude 14, and nearly 100 footnotes in his translation suggest the divine name as a likely rendering. Long before those translations, Hebrew versions of the Christian Greek Scriptures from the 16th century onward used the Tetragrammaton in many passages. In the German language alone, at least 11 versions use "Jehovah” (or the transliteration of the Hebrew “Yahweh”) in the Christian Greek Scriptures, while four translators add the name in parentheses after “Lord.” More than 70 German translations use the divine name in footnotes or commentaries.
  
  
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

  1. social
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  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  LoveUni I am saying very plainly exactly what I mean. The idea that the only way to be a "good" Muslim is to be an ex-Muslim is an attempt to deny any respectable identity to anyone who claims the label "Muslim". That is a sly tactic and disgusting rhetoric.

  And I am very familiar with all the bigoted excuses for claiming there are no good Muslims.

  1. "Muslim's can't be good because they believe the Quran and it's violent."

  - yeah but so is the Bible it doesn't mean there are no good Christians.

  2. "The Bible might be violent but Christians ignore the violent bits, so they are not the problem like Muslims are."

  - oh really? Bush and Blair's "crusade" in Iraq, which they prayed about, and were convinced God supported, and now millions are dead as a result. That wasn't violent on a scale above and beyond any extremist terror attack? But no, Christians are not violent, only Muslims of course.

  3. "There are practically no moderate Muslims anyway, look at all the survey evidence, they are violent monsters, open your eyes you fool,"

  - I guess you can come to that warped conclusion if 1) you don't know Muslims personally and 2) you believe all the nonsense you see on right wing blogs and YouTube channels as your main source of information.
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

  1. social
  2. current

  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  Simon the allusion is in the form of words and the exclusion of the possibility of there being such a thing as a "good" Muslim. It's disgusting rhetoric.

  In the 19th century Americans discussed whether there was a useful distinction between good and bad Indians, hostile and reservation Indians. Some expressed the view that there was no meaningful distinction and that the "only good Indian is a dead Indian".

  Now some people are arguing that there is no meaningful distinction between violent extremists and those who practise Islam peacefully. Even going so far as to say the only "good" Muslim is an ex-Muslim.

  If others can't see the parallel or why it's disturbing there's not much more I can say.
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  What did President Trump say about Sweden?

  by kpop in

  1. social
  2. current

  this you will never see on the mainstream media.

  before you comment watch the whole video.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqaigeqxqgi.

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  slimboyfat

  Yes it's different than commending Nazis for abandoning Nazism for a few reasons:

  1. In liberal democracies we respect religious minorities not stigmatise them.

  2. Saying that there is literally no "good" way of being a practicing Muslim is counter-productive for inter-community relations. It doesn't show respect or seek better understanding.

  3. It also happpens to be categorically and empirically false. Since there are many Muslims who live productive and good lives and are an asset to the community because of the impact their faith. And they should be commended and encouraged not stigmatised.

  To state the bleeding obvious.