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  CLIENT INTAKE - CSA QUESTIONNAIRE & General legal advice and direction

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  client intake—csa questionnaire.

  general legal advice and direction.

  hi wifi.. i don't believe these have been seen before.. one is a general guideline given to elders who report a child safety issue in the congregation, and the second is the form they have to return to the legal department.. they are both recent forms.. the questionnaire has an interesting question at a.6 stating if the legal dept has advised to contact the authorities yes or no.

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  slimboyfat

  What sort of entry is required for the box "current spiritual sanding"?

  Is it like status and position? Active/elder or inactive/publisher, or a judgement, good, bad or average, or what?
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  Revised New world translation in other languages

  by TheWonderofYou in

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  2. friends

  i think the translators are now very busy or even in the endspurt to present next year the editions in many other long expected languages like spanish, french, dutch, german...perhaps there will be even two spanish versions.. this will spark a new fire in the hearts of the publishers to go out and evangelize using the bible.

  month to month a new translation is available on jw library app, like portoguese since july.

  but they will not use the paper in door-to-door but the app.. insiders have already access to parts of many of those coming translations and are very happy with the translation comments like "really beautiful translated" are typical..

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  slimboyfat

  The process of revision is a rather complicated business. As I understand it some of the translations made in the past ten or fifteen years already incorporated many of the changes that were introduced in the English revision of 2013. So in this instance in some cases it may have been a case of the English version catching up with changes that had already been introduced in other languages, not the other way around.

  That being said, they may nevertheless use the opportunity to ensure further standardisation and use the new grey cover to present it as a new revision, even in languages where the changes had largely already been introduced.
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  Your thoughts on the Libertarian party

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i really like what governors w.weld and g. johnson bring to the table.. not familiar with the libertarian party and will do some investigation,.

  but any thoughts on this party..

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  slimboyfat

  My thought is that the number one priority in this election is to avoid Trump and potential nuclear apocalypse. Save your protest for an election when the future of the planet isn't at stake.

  Trump has lost considerable ground in the polls in the last week. There is a great danger of complacency in this situation if people think he can't bounce back and don't see any risk in a protest vote.

  I don't like Clinton but I like prospect of nuclear war much less.

  It's time to revive the French campaign slogan during the Chirac/Le Pen election of 2002:

  Vote for the crook not the fascist!
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  I got my Bethel Application approved, I start in September

  by Quarterback in

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  2. friends

  well it took awhile.

  i've downsized.

  got rid of my bmw.

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  slimboyfat

  Cool I hope you have a good time. Keep your ear to the ground, if you have a chance have a sneak around, and see if you find anything interesting.
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  Goddard Resigns. A Big Blow to Justice In Britain

  by Slidin Fast in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i seems that the child abuse enquiry in the uk has hit the wall again.

  its a great pity.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/04/child-sex-abuse-victims-say-inquiry-has-descended-into-farce-as/.

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  It's a shame. She seemed intelligent and sincere. I wonder why the Westminster establishment found her so objectionable they had to hound her out. The press campaign against her had the hallmarks of official orchestration.
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  How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

  by dogon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

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  I'd suggest that the sort of JW who says 1975 never happened may be the sort of JW it's not worth arguing with. It's not like decades ago when ignorance on this topic, as many other topics, may have been excusable. Anyone who wants to find out what happened around 1975 can do so easily in a few clicks. If they insist nothing happened around 1975 they are either wilfully ignorant or lying. And you can't force anyone to learn or accept something they don't want to.

  I have a JW who from time to time tries to convince me evolution is false. I guess I've kind of humoured it over the years. He points to new magazines on design or whatever. But what I should really say to him, because he's obviously never read a book on evolution, is simply that he should read an actual book on he subject then we could have a meaningful conversation. For perhaps 99% of people who say they don't accept evolution, the only information that comment conveys about the person is that they've never actually read a book that explains the subject rather than distorts it. They have nothing meaningful to say about the subject itself because they don't really know anything about it.

  Same thing when a JW says "I've never heard that 1975 was a thing". They somehow think this means "because I don't know about 1975 being a thing, therefore 1975 wasn't a thing". This is obviously specious logic. It's just as bad as saying "I find evolution incredible therefore it can't be true". These sorts of statements say nothing about the topic in itself and everything about the wilful ignorance of the person making the statement.
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  ISIS Want to Clear up Why They Do Terrorism

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  every time isis commit one of their atrocities, well-meaning folks mumble self-loathing apologies on behalf of "the west".

  noam chomsky and his sort lead a chorus of masochistic confessions.

  apparently everybody is to blame for islamic terrorism (according to bill nye global warming causes isis) - apart from islamic terrorists of course.

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  slimboyfat

  Again you are asking the wrong question.

  Would ISIS even exist if it wasn't for the Iraq War?
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  ISIS Want to Clear up Why They Do Terrorism

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  every time isis commit one of their atrocities, well-meaning folks mumble self-loathing apologies on behalf of "the west".

  noam chomsky and his sort lead a chorus of masochistic confessions.

  apparently everybody is to blame for islamic terrorism (according to bill nye global warming causes isis) - apart from islamic terrorists of course.

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  slimboyfat

  The question is not "do terrorists give religious motivations for their actions?" (Obviously they do, no one deputes this)

  The question is "were it not for western wars in the Middle East would there be more or less terrorism?"

  I've never anywhere seen Chomsky dispute that terrorists often give religious reasons for their violence, just as I've never seen a good argument for believing that more western wars in the Middle East reduces terrorism.

  People who favour war and incomprehension are determined to avoid the second question, and pretend the first question is even a significant point of debate.
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  JW as a secret society - a weak link in the Information Age.

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the late 1990s there was magazine article that asked the question, are jws a secret society?

  obviously they said no, because they claim to be transparent to outsiders and new members.

  but they really are not transparent at all.

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  slimboyfat

  In the late 1990s there was magazine article that asked the question, are JWs a secret society?

  Obviously they said no, because they claim to be transparent to outsiders and new members.

  But they really are not transparent at all. I don't know if they deserve the grand title "secret society" exactly, but there is something decidedly secretive about the way the way they structure their organisation.

  For example, other religions have elders and ministers, and they have guidebooks to tell them how to perform their duties. But how many other religions have elder guidebooks that are kept secret from ordinary members? Even to the point that wives are not supposed to read them (or even handle them) and they must be returned immediately if the elder is demoted. Do other churches conduct themselves in such a furtive manner? Apart from maybe Mormons and Scientologists. I am talking about regular churches. Do any regular denominations behave like that? I don't think so.

  The elder's book and other organisational guidebooks contain rules that ordinary members don't even know exist! Like all the tedious shades of "loose conduct". How many ordinary JWs know you can get disfellowshipped for touching breasts? Or that gay porn is serious but a little straight porn is okay? It's in the guidebook and letters, but not for ordinary members to consult. What a bizarre way to run any sort of association.

  Then there is the ludicrous situation that regular JWs don't even know how major decisions are decided upon in the organisation because the decision making procedure of the Governing Body is shrouded in mystery. What other church is there where the ordinary members don't even know how doctrines and policies are arrived at? Presbyterians have votes and Episcopalians have bishops to make decisions. Ordinary members, even if they are not involved, at least know how the system works and decisions are made. The only reason JWs know that the Governing Body operates on votes and a two thirds majority system is because a defector wrote about it.

  It's a secretive system designed to avoid accountability, make elders feel as if they are important, and give mundane structural processes an aura of mystical "theocratic" specialness.

  And it worked pretty well for decades. But the Information Age is taking its toll.

  Now everyone who wants to look for them has access to the secret elder's book, the secret Circuit Overseer book and various branch books, not to mention hundreds of internal letters, forms, videos, talks. The whole thing. Their whole pathetic furtive web of self-important graduated knowledge is laid bare for the whole world to see.

  If they aspired to be a secret society they certainly aren't one anyone more.
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  Russellites ----> Bible Students ----> Jehovah's Witnesses

  by Wild_Thing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in my experience, the jws always seemed to shy away from much association from the term "russellites".

  most are wiling to accept that bible students took on the name jehovah's witnesses, but they seem to disavow much association with the term "russellites".. is this perception true?

  does anyone know if there is anything in their literature after 1931 where they admit they are the same group as the russellites?

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  slimboyfat

  Wow Oroborus21 how is your project for JW renewal coming on?

  It seems to be going in the opposite direction.