I think the saying is that “Jehovah always works through an organisation”. Which means, not that there always is such an organisation for Jehovah to work through, but rather that whenever Jehovah chooses to say or do something then the mechanism that he uses is an organisation, not, and this is the whole of the saying, individuals acting on their own. [Which is the cue for people to post dozens of biblical counterexamples of God using individuals.]
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What has changed since January 2009?
by KerryKing inhi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
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THANK YOU Steven Unthank
by cedars inohiocowboy has just posted this information on the two other threads dealing with the sudden collapse of the unthank cases.. i don't know steven unthank, but i just want to thank him from the bottom of my heart for having the courage against overwhelming odds to try and bring the watch tower society to justice over their deplorable neglect when it comes to protecting children from abuse and molestation.. steven is a man of justice and integrity who i deeply admire.
his actions will never be forgotten, and i only hope he can find it within himself to continue his work in whatever avenue may become available in the future.. they have won this battle, but they can never win the war.. .
cedars.
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Was the thread bumped for a particlar reason, or just generally to afflict us with his past utterances? Looking back at my own comments I apparently understood what he was wittering on about the first time. Now I’ve not got a clue.
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What has changed since January 2009?
by KerryKing inhi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
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slimboyfat
Maybe it was a gender issue because it’s hard to understand how a queen can be a king unless … 🤔
Me, flippant? I resemble that remark. 😁
But Earnest supplies the goods. 👍
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A simple rebuttal to the recent 'Last Minute Repentance' change.
by nicolaou infor decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.
(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?
) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?
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6 Consider a number of related questions. Several Bible accounts describe Jehovah’s judgments against unrighteous people, such as the unknown numbers who died in the Flood or the seven nations in the Promised Land that Jehovah ordered his people to devote to destruction or the 185,000 Assyrian soldiers slain by an angel of Jehovah in a single night. (Gen. 7:23; Isa. 37:36, 37) In these cases, does the Bible give us enough information to determine that Jehovah sentenced all those individuals to eternal destruction, with no hope of a resurrection? No, it does not. Why can we say that?
7 We do not know how Jehovah judged each individual; nor do we know whether those who were killed had an opportunity to learn about Jehovah and to repent. In regard to the time of the Flood, the Bible does say that Noah was “a preacher of righteousness.” (2 Pet 2:5) But it does not say that while he was building a colossal ark, he was also attempting to reach every individual on earth who would face destruction in the Deluge. Similarly, in the case of the nations of Canaan, we do not know if all those wicked people had an opportunity to learn about Jehovah and change their ways.
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What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?
by Hellothere inpersonally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.
that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.
i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.
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I’m not surprised if shunning minors was the sticking point. I don’t see how anyone can defend that. Watchtower should either make a rule that you can’t get baptised until you’re an adult, or else make a rule that you can’t get DFed and/or shunned as a consequence if you’re a minor. If they don’t make some sort of compromise then it seems reasonable for the state to withdraw privileges and recognitions from a group which practices shunning of minors. In fact, you could argue it would be reasonable to go further and ban such a group outright unless they change the policy, because religious freedom is not a reasonable ground for harming children. You could argue that an adult has capacity to enter into an agreement that could result in shunning but I don’t see how you can make that argument with minors.
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A simple rebuttal to the recent 'Last Minute Repentance' change.
by nicolaou infor decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.
(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?
) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?
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I remember this being discussed in the late 1990s. They pointed out (I think at a convention) that the difference between dying in the flood and dying at Armageddon is you may get a resurrection if you died in the flood but not if you died at Armageddon. Therefore the fact children of unbelievers died in the flood (so the reasoning went) does not tell us whether or not children of unbelievers may survive Armageddon. -
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Today Dr. Peter McCullough said 'conspiracy theory' (which is in the April 2024 Watchtower) is a propaganda term! 😲
by was a new boy in"misinformation, disinformation, science, this antiscience, uh conspiracy theory, these are propaganda terms.".
'don't use them' he says.
@ 19:33. https://youtu.be/miauulndllq?t=1173.
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slimboyfat
is it proven they know that the drugs are dangerous before distributing them?
Yes it has been, in a court of law, and compensation was paid, but not enough to deter them from doing it again unfortunately.
Read about Sackler painkillers and about vioxx.
As for whether the recent treatments were known to be harmful, it remains to be seen if the truth will come out. There are powerful interests that don’t want a proper investigation.
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What has changed since January 2009?
by KerryKing inhi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.
i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.
doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.
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slimboyfat
Queen Zenobia is no longer king of the south
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New website -Testimonies on the adverse events of anti Covid-19 vaccination campaigns among Jehovah's Witnesses.
by was a new boy in'jehovah's witnesses are heavily vaccinated due to guidance given from july to december 20211 by the governing body.many witnesses have had serious adverse effects following vaccination campaigns and, for the most part, have had great difficulty in expressing them and having them recognized.this website was made to allow each witness touched by these vaccination campaigns to express it so that the community takes it into account.'.
https://adverse-events-jw.org.
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slimboyfat
Very interesting. I know JWs who were all in favour of vaccines at the start who now say they won’t take any more. There were a few deaths and strokes in the congregation close to taking the vaccines.
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Today Dr. Peter McCullough said 'conspiracy theory' (which is in the April 2024 Watchtower) is a propaganda term! 😲
by was a new boy in"misinformation, disinformation, science, this antiscience, uh conspiracy theory, these are propaganda terms.".
'don't use them' he says.
@ 19:33. https://youtu.be/miauulndllq?t=1173.
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slimboyfat
I wonder what the person who downvoted me disagrees with, that pharmaceutical companies have sold dangerous drugs to make a profit in the past, or that they could have done the same thing again during the pandemic?