Posts by slimboyfat

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A simple rebuttal to the recent 'Last Minute Repentance' change.

by nicolaou in

for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.

(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?

) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?

slimboyfat

6 Consider a number of related questions. Several Bible accounts describe Jehovah’s judgments against unrighteous people, such as the unknown numbers who died in the Flood or the seven nations in the Promised Land that Jehovah ordered his people to devote to destruction or the 185,000 Assyrian soldiers slain by an angel of Jehovah in a single night. (Gen. 7:23; Isa. 37:36, 37) In these cases, does the Bible give us enough information to determine that Jehovah sentenced all those individuals to eternal destruction, with no hope of a resurrection? No, it does not. Why can we say that?

7 We do not know how Jehovah judged each individual; nor do we know whether those who were killed had an opportunity to learn about Jehovah and to repent. In regard to the time of the Flood, the Bible does say that Noah was “a preacher of righteousness.” (2 Pet 2:5) But it does not say that while he was building a colossal ark, he was also attempting to reach every individual on earth who would face destruction in the Deluge. Similarly, in the case of the nations of Canaan, we do not know if all those wicked people had an opportunity to learn about Jehovah and change their ways.

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What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

by Hellothere in

personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

I’m not surprised if shunning minors was the sticking point. I don’t see how anyone can defend that. Watchtower should either make a rule that you can’t get baptised until you’re an adult, or else make a rule that you can’t get DFed and/or shunned as a consequence if you’re a minor. If they don’t make some sort of compromise then it seems reasonable for the state to withdraw privileges and recognitions from a group which practices shunning of minors. In fact, you could argue it would be reasonable to go further and ban such a group outright unless they change the policy, because religious freedom is not a reasonable ground for harming children. You could argue that an adult has capacity to enter into an agreement that could result in shunning but I don’t see how you can make that argument with minors.

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A simple rebuttal to the recent 'Last Minute Repentance' change.

by nicolaou in

for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.

(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?

) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?

slimboyfat

I remember this being discussed in the late 1990s. They pointed out (I think at a convention) that the difference between dying in the flood and dying at Armageddon is you may get a resurrection if you died in the flood but not if you died at Armageddon. Therefore the fact children of unbelievers died in the flood (so the reasoning went) does not tell us whether or not children of unbelievers may survive Armageddon.

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Today Dr. Peter McCullough said 'conspiracy theory' (which is in the April 2024 Watchtower) is a propaganda term! 😲

by was a new boy in

"misinformation, disinformation, science, this antiscience, uh conspiracy theory, these are propaganda terms.".

'don't use them' he says.

@ 19:33. https://youtu.be/miauulndllq?t=1173.

slimboyfat

is it proven they know that the drugs are dangerous before distributing them?

Yes it has been, in a court of law, and compensation was paid, but not enough to deter them from doing it again unfortunately.

Read about Sackler painkillers and about vioxx.

As for whether the recent treatments were known to be harmful, it remains to be seen if the truth will come out. There are powerful interests that don’t want a proper investigation.

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What has changed since January 2009?

by KerryKing in

hi, i was df'd in jan 09. have not been in touch much with the jws apart from a few memorials i went to.. what with all the online presence they have nowadays, it just feels like a totally different religion.

i have seen them with their tablets and phones at the hall, hardly any physical bibles or books at all, makes me think how ai (or the borg) could so easily change words and phrasing in the bible to suit them without making a big deal of it, like 'a new light' talk or wt article.

doctrinally has much changed since 2009?.

slimboyfat

Queen Zenobia is no longer king of the south

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New website -Testimonies on the adverse events of anti Covid-19 vaccination campaigns among Jehovah's Witnesses.

by was a new boy in

'jehovah's witnesses are heavily vaccinated due to guidance given from july to december 20211 by the governing body.many witnesses have had serious adverse effects following vaccination campaigns and, for the most part, have had great difficulty in expressing them and having them recognized.this website was made to allow each witness touched by these vaccination campaigns to express it so that the community takes it into account.'.

https://adverse-events-jw.org.

slimboyfat

Very interesting. I know JWs who were all in favour of vaccines at the start who now say they won’t take any more. There were a few deaths and strokes in the congregation close to taking the vaccines.

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Today Dr. Peter McCullough said 'conspiracy theory' (which is in the April 2024 Watchtower) is a propaganda term! 😲

by was a new boy in

"misinformation, disinformation, science, this antiscience, uh conspiracy theory, these are propaganda terms.".

'don't use them' he says.

@ 19:33. https://youtu.be/miauulndllq?t=1173.

slimboyfat

I wonder what the person who downvoted me disagrees with, that pharmaceutical companies have sold dangerous drugs to make a profit in the past, or that they could have done the same thing again during the pandemic?

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Today Dr. Peter McCullough said 'conspiracy theory' (which is in the April 2024 Watchtower) is a propaganda term! 😲

by was a new boy in

"misinformation, disinformation, science, this antiscience, uh conspiracy theory, these are propaganda terms.".

'don't use them' he says.

@ 19:33. https://youtu.be/miauulndllq?t=1173.

slimboyfat

I have a question for the propaganda believers.

Are you aware that pharmaceutical companies have knowingly sold dangerous drugs to the public multiple times that has resulted in the deaths of millions of people? Search Sackler painkillers and Vioxx.

My question is, why do you think that an industry that has a proven history of knowingly selling dangerous drugs to the public would never knowingly sell dangerous drugs to the public during the pandemic? Since it’s a matter of public record that this has happened many times before, why call it a “conspiracy theory” to point out the evidence that it has happened again?

And do you believe the Russians blew up their own gas pipeline too?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

slimboyfat

Thanks Jehalapeno, makes sense.

I don’t think he cares all that much about subscribers. Not as much as he cares about the money coming in anyway, that’s the figure he’s watching like a hawk! 🦅

Wow Las Malvinas son Argentinas what a truly obnoxious comment to Tibor.

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1970's Russell Pyramid Photo!

by Atlantis in

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1970's photo of the russell pyramid.

the picture was sent to us by a former bethelite who was also the person who took the picture.

of course, the pyramid is not there anymore.. .

slimboyfat

Thanks Atlantis once again for the share!

This thread is perhaps not the best place to say this but I can’t find the other photo thread:

I am skeptical of the idea that Watchtower would have vandalised it themselves, or would have organised for the pyramid to be vandalised. They long ago came to terms with the pyramidology in their past. They even put in the Proclaimers book and various WT magazines. More than that, it’s become part of their self-understanding that they have been “refined” and wrong teachings have been discarded over time, including pyramidology. So far from undermining the faith, they’ve spun a narrative where Russell’s pyramid fits well with the idea of progressive truth and increasing light. So I can see little reason for them to want to get rid of the pyramid on Russell’s grave. Why didn’t Watchtower have it restored when it was vandalised? Because they don’t care about it that much. They wouldn’t have got rid of it in the first place, but neither do they want to go out of their way to try to rebuild it.

On the other hand the pyramid became totemic for some former JWs because it epitomises false Watchtower teachings, with hints of association with Freemasons and so on. Ex-JWs who get upset about alleged Masonic links can be among the loudest and most vehement opponents of Watchtower. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a former JW who believes Russell and modern JWs are perhaps under the control of masons in some way who decided to vandalise Russell’s pyramid.

That’s my reaction to the vandalism and removal. Or am overlooking something?