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  Research paper on Effects of Shunning

  by peacefulpete in

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  after being around this site for 21 years now, i've heard many recount their stories and feelings.

  many times i can immediately relate but other times they seem to have had a very different experience with the church.

  i'm sure that is because not only are all of us different in personality, but congregations and family dynamics vary as well.

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  slimboyfat

  peacefulpete on this thread, about a research project, I noted the article by Rosie Luther, as well as others on the topic of leaving JWs/shunning. There has been a tremendous amount published on the topic in the past few years.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5804993693614080/research-project-study-designed-explore-experience-leaving-jehovahs-witnesses

  On the topic of the decline of other the churches I found this interesting video and article about the Anglican Church and the United Reformed Church.

  https://medium.com/inspire-believe-grow/the-decline-and-possible-extinction-of-the-united-reformed-church-in-the-uk-61f2a9807cd
  

  https://youtu.be/Me_wTLmr3bQ
  
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

  anyone know them?

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  slimboyfat

  In that convoluted explanation of the “generation” that Splane gave he said the second group of anointed overlap the first group. But did he explicitly say that the second group were actually anointed while the first group were still alive? Maybe they can stretch this out by saying that, while the new GB members might not have been anointed when Fred Franz died in 1992, they were alive 1992, and that counts! 💡
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

  anyone know them?

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  slimboyfat

  It looks like the Watchtower “1914 generation”, by hook or by crook, will still be going strong long after I’m gone anyway
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

  anyone know them?

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  slimboyfat

  I don’t know how to reconcile the Watchtower statement that GB helpers are from the other sheep, with the fact that the two new appointees, who are described in the announcement as anointed, (plus Paul Gillies, also rumoured to partake) are listed as helpers in the Watchtower article. It appears to be a contradiction. 😮
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

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  slimboyfat

  The two new appointees were GB helpers listed on the website at the link I posted above. So that would seem to disprove the idea that none of the GB helpers are anointed.

  Paul Gillies is also listed as a GB helper and also known to claim to be anointed. He’s probably disappointed he wasn’t selected to be on the GB and, since he’s quite a bit older than the new appointees, his opportunity has probably passed.
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

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  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

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  slimboyfat

  They were both GB helpers, listed here.

  https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/governing-body-jw-helpers/
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  slimboyfat

  Are the women he visits every couple of months using Patreon money enjoying life too?
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

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  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

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  slimboyfat

  Gage Fleegle is from the service department, the most common background of GB appointees, during, and since Ted Jaracz dominated that committee from the 1980s until he died in 2010.

  Jeffrey Winder is from the personnel committee - I don’t recall anyone being appointed from that committee before.

  They have avoided appointing people from the writing committee since the Ray Franz incident.
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

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  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

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  slimboyfat

  Herd and Lösch are the oldest and clearly struggling. Will the GB finally implement some kind of retirement policy? Some GB members probably do carry on duties until the day they die (Lloyd Barry certainly did since he died in the middle of giving a talk) but others move into care at some stage and the idea that they continue to function as part of GB is more fantasy than reality. So why not formalise the process and either implement a retirement age, or else encourage GB members to retire when they no longer feel able to continue.
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  How do JWs know that millions who were martyred as Christians before the 20th century did not have the heavenly hope?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i understand it, jehovah’s witnesses believe less than 145,000 faithful christians existed prior to the twentieth century.

  the other sheep christians did not start forming until after 1914. that means jehovah’s witnesses view millions martyred for their faith in christ prior to the 20th century as merely professed christians.. the question is…how do witnesses know that those millions who perished for their faith in christ were not christians at all?.

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  slimboyfat

  Are you sure that “millions” were martyred before the 20th century? Who counts as a martyr in this context and how are you counting them.

  Scholar Candida Moss, for example, has argued that few early Christian’s were actually martyred and her argument has generally been well received.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Persecution

  Current JW teaching, as I understand it, is that 1935 is no longer viewed as any kind of watershed, and both anointed and other sheep could have been selected at any time.