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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  slimboyfat

  London is not a country. The analogy only works if you start from the position that Scotland is not a country with no right to self-determination any more than a city within a state. Even staunch unionists such as Blair and Cameron acknowledged that Scotland is a country and could decide to leave the United Kingdom if it wishes. Comparing Scotland to London should be just as insulting to self-respecting unionists as it is to those who support independence. Because don't unionists claim that we are a family of nations that come together voluntarily?

  In Australia all the regions need to agree to a change in the constitution for it to pass. (For example one state could prevent the abolition of the monarchy even if a majority of people voted in favour across the country) Why is Scotland regarded as less than a region of Australia? If all the regions of Australia need to agree a change in the constitution, why not all countries in the UK need to agree before we do anything as drastic as leave the EU?

  When Scotland voted in 2014 it was promised we would be equal partners in a more federal system. If that were true our vote to remain in the EU would count.
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  slimboyfat

  In 2014 Scots voted to stay in the UK and we stayed in the UK. That's democracy.

  And if Scots vote for parties that want another referendum, that's also democracy.

  In 2014 Scots were told to vote No in order to stay in the EU.

  In fact it turned out that Scotland was dragged out of the EU despite a majority of Scots voting for the EU.

  The SNP argued that this changed the situation and there should be another referendum. They won three elections making that argument. So now there is a majority in the Scottish parliament for another referendum, and a majority of Scottish MPs support a referendum.

  In this democracy, if voting for parties that propose a referendum is not enough to secure a referendum, is there any democratic way to get a referendum in this system?
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  2. current

  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  SNP have stood in three elections in the past year saying that Brexit means we should have another independence referendum. The SNP won all three elections.

  How many elections do the SNP need to win with manifestos for a referendum before democracy kicks in?
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

  1. social
  2. current

  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  slimboyfat

  SNP results:

  1992 - 3 seats out of 72

  1997 - 6 seats out of 72

  2001 - 5 seats out of 72

  2005 - 6 seats out of 59

  2010 - 6 seats out of 59

  2015 - 56 seats out of 59

  2017 - 35 seats out of 59

  Fascinating watching the media claim a second landslide victory is a defeat.

  In this 2017 election:

  Tory Ruth Davidson said vote Tory to stop independence referendum - won 13 seats

  Labour's Jeremy Corbyn says he would not prevent an independence referendum - 7 seats

  SNP propose independence referendum - 35 seats

  If the people have spoken, what have they said?
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  slimboyfat

  Party A with 35 seats is a party you describe as getting a "clobbering", for the avoidance of doubt. Strange day when a landslide victory (winning 59% of Scottish seats) is described as a "clobbering". If that's a "clobbering" they'll take it every day of the week. And if a handful seats each is the height of unionist ambition these days, then changed times indeed.
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  Sudden General Election in UK to be held June 8th 2017

  by freddo in

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  theresa may the british p.m. has called for an election.. the house of commons has to vote tomorrow and have a two-thirds majority to agree and the main opposition parties want it to happen too so it looks pretty certain to go ahead..

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  slimboyfat

  Amazing.

  Imagine an election with these results:

  Party A 35

  Party B 13

  Party C 7

  Party D 4

  Party E 0

  Party F 0

  Which party Simon, did you describe as getting a "clobbering"?

  That's some hefty bias at work right there.
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  What Kind Of Psychological Conseling Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Need When They Find Out It's Not The Truth?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  i personally would like to see they get the very best but haven't a clue how to do it what are your benevolent words of wisdom, should a person do a deep research on his own a kind of self medication or should they brush up on some psychology,, who should they trust because after you leave you got big trust issues.. i don't know about you but to me it was a real shocker, i was totally into getting their worthless bull shit out of my head.

  i choose the self medicate path and did as must research as time would allow,, science was a biggie for me, it was enjoyable learning to get so much bull shit out of my head..

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  That's understandable. And I agree on a personal level, to some extent. People make their choices and it reveals their character. It's hard to forgive and forget, even if they later change their mind.

  What I mean is it would be good in general if JWs stopped the practice of shunning. It wouldn't undo past hurt but it would stop future JWs and former JWs from suffering the same. Surely that's a good thing.
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  What Kind Of Psychological Conseling Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Need When They Find Out It's Not The Truth?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i personally would like to see they get the very best but haven't a clue how to do it what are your benevolent words of wisdom, should a person do a deep research on his own a kind of self medication or should they brush up on some psychology,, who should they trust because after you leave you got big trust issues.. i don't know about you but to me it was a real shocker, i was totally into getting their worthless bull shit out of my head.

  i choose the self medicate path and did as must research as time would allow,, science was a biggie for me, it was enjoyable learning to get so much bull shit out of my head..

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  slimboyfat

  Wether we agree with JWs or not, it would be good for all concerned if JWs stopped shunning, for example. I would hope we would all welcome that change if it happens.

  Some people wouldn't welcome any improvement because they want total destruction. (Pretty much a mirror of worst JW instincts, ironically)

  I think that's pretty stupid not to wish for positive change. For example a JW religion without shunning would clearly be better than JWs with shunning. And I do think we should welcome any positive change. Isn't that simply a statement of the obvious?
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  guess what watchtower, books are making a comeback!

  by nowwhat? in

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  now that the org.

  has gone 90% digital, it would seem most people now would rather read a good old fashioned book than a tablet!.

  way to show insight oh fearless leaders!.

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  slimboyfat

  I was just thinking the same thing.

  Just when JWs have switched to tablets, the latest news is that physical book sales are up, and e-books are down.

  However I think the Watchtower reduction in printing has more to do with the Swaggart case in the 1990s than with the switch to e-books in the 2010s... taking the longer historical view.
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  What Kind Of Psychological Conseling Do You Think Jehovah's Witnesses Need When They Find Out It's Not The Truth?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i personally would like to see they get the very best but haven't a clue how to do it what are your benevolent words of wisdom, should a person do a deep research on his own a kind of self medication or should they brush up on some psychology,, who should they trust because after you leave you got big trust issues.. i don't know about you but to me it was a real shocker, i was totally into getting their worthless bull shit out of my head.

  i choose the self medicate path and did as must research as time would allow,, science was a biggie for me, it was enjoyable learning to get so much bull shit out of my head..

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  slimboyfat

  I am not sure it isn't the truth. There are true and untrue things, helpful and unhelpful, like everything else.

  I am suspicious of the idea of a "correctional" programme to set the JW mind straight. In many important respects JWs have a clearer idea than many others - about not taking part in wars for example. Or the importance of the divine name, if we want to get theological.

  There are good things and bad things about JWs. I hope things improve. I think that's what we should all hope. Not a popular view I know, but there it is.