snugglebunny you are a repeat offender with the same topic twice in a row. I hereby put you on automatic forum restrictions. ;-)
slimboyfat
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Automatic Disfellowshipping
by snugglebunny inback in the 60's and 70's, when i was a jw, i held a number of ministerial posts.
this meant that i was privy to many congregation issues that involved disfellowshipping or restrictions.
probation was the term that we used then for restrictions.. if a person appeared before a jc and was found to be guilty and placed on restrictions, then the person could be automatically disfellowshipped if they committed the offence again whilst still on restrictions.. i know this for this reason: one lady from our congregation who had engaged in fornication some years earlier had been placed on probation.
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Infinity versus nothing
by Fisherman insome people like to believe in something others believe in nothing; so in what location did the substance that expanded into the time/space universe exist before the big bang?
where did the energy that caused the big band come from?
how did the substance that became the big bang change from being inert and sterile and come to life to having the properties and drive that it does?
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slimboyfat
It why is there a universe in the first place? Or anything at all for that matter?
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Infinity versus nothing
by Fisherman insome people like to believe in something others believe in nothing; so in what location did the substance that expanded into the time/space universe exist before the big bang?
where did the energy that caused the big band come from?
how did the substance that became the big bang change from being inert and sterile and come to life to having the properties and drive that it does?
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slimboyfat
Saying there is no God isn't an answer either. Because even if you say there is no God, you still have the problem of why there is something rather than nothing. Why does anything exist at all? The very fact of existence is mysterious. Because if there is no greater intelligence, or being outside of being, then why should anything ever arise naturally from nothing? Or why has something always been? Excluding God from the picture doesn't solve that central problem or mystery.
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BIG NEWS! Leader of German Watchtower History Archives Resignes and Leaves Branch Office!
by GermanXJW injohannes wrobel, the founder of the watchtower history archives in germany, responsible for the stand firm-video and the stand-firm-exhibitions resigned in november 2008 and left the german branch office.
he was also the responsible person for many of the wt sponsored websites on jw in the 'third reich'!.
there are no further details known yet but this could be big news!.
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slimboyfat
The autobiography with details about Knorr and Jaracz seem to be gone. Does anyone have a copy of it?
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Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps
by slimboyfat ini am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!
magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.
i quote both passages without comment.
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slimboyfat
Buchenwald was established in 1937 and stories about conditions in the camp soon appeared in the British press. It was sometimes referred to as "dreaded Buchenwald", the "great concentration camp", "grim concentration camp", and "the worst camp".
Here is a very small sample of stories about the Buchenwald concentration camp that the Awake! claims was "unknown" to most non-Golden Age and Consolation readers before 1945.
"Germany's Grim Forest Prison for Jews", Portsmouth Evening News, 10th August 1938.
"Plight of Jews", Lincolnshire Echo, 10th August 1938.
"Worst Camp", Yorkshire Evening Post, 2nd of December 1938.
"Beaten to Death", Daily Record, 23rd January 1939.
"Escaped Jew Saw Death Beatings", Dundee Courier, 23rd January 1939.
"Nazi Concentration Camp Horrors - Savage Ill Treatment of Prisoners", Birmingham Daily Post, 31st October 1939.
"Concentration Camp Revelations - Hitler's Order Regarding Punishment of Jews", The Scotsman, 31st October 1939.
"Envoys Reveal Horrors of Nazi Lash", Daily Mirror, 31st October 1939.
There were hundreds of such articles about Buchenwald just in the British press alone before 1945.
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Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps
by slimboyfat ini am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!
magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.
i quote both passages without comment.
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slimboyfat
BUT I believe the Guardian was notable for being one of the VERY few newspapers to consistantly expose, and in some depth, what was happening in Germany at that time.
I've found that there were hundreds of articles in dozens of British newspapers that give details about the concentration camps in the 1930s. The camps that the Awake! claimed were "unknown" before 1945.
A few examples from a very, very, long list:
"Prisoners in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp", Liverpool Daily Post, 7th January 1939.
"Jews Beaten to Death" (at Sachsenhausen), Cornishman, 15th December 1938.
"Germany's Political Prisoners" (at Sachsenhasuen), Daily Record, 7th January 1939.
"Pastor Dies at Nazi Camp" (Niemoeller at Sachsenhasuen), Scotsman, 24th July 1939.
"Inside a German Prison Camp" (Sachsenhausen), Nottingham Evening Post, 22nd of July 1937.
"The Toll of Dachau", Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer, 23rd June 1938.
"The Twelve Months of Dachau Horror", Birmingham Daily Gazzette, 28th November 1938.
"Brutality at Dachau", Yorkshire Evening Post, 31st October 1939.
"Camps for political prisoners under the Nazi regime" (Dachau), Illustrated London News, 10th February 1934.
"2000 Massacred in Reich Camps" (Dachau), Aberdeen Press and Journal, 20th July 1934.
"The Situation in Germany" (Dachau), Belfast Newsletter, 20th July 1934.
"Story of Massacre" (at Dachau), Western Morning News, 29th July 1934.
"The German Upheaval" (at Dachau), Taunton Courier, 25th July 1934.
"German Concentration Camps" (Dachau), The Scotsman, 24th October 1934.
"Nazi Concentration Camps not Improved" (Dachau), Derry Journal, 27th September 1935.
"Misled Germans - Life in the Concentration Camps - Electrified Wire", The Scotsman, 7th December 1936.
"The Toll of Dachau", Yorkshire Post, 23rd June 1938.
As I say, this is a very tiny sample from hundreds of articles published in dozens of newspapers exposing Nazi concentration camps by name in the British press in the 1930s. Examples from the Manchester Guardian not even included. And let alone newspapers in other countries.
And what is striking about the way these stories refer to Dachau is that knowledge of the camp was simply taken for granted. It was common knowledge. When it is characterised in the text, it is described in terms such as "infamous", "most famous" and "the notorious" concentration camp.
Yet the Awake! in 1995 claimed Dachau, Sachsenhasuen and other concentration camps were "unknown" to most, except readers of The Golden Age and Consolation magazines, before 1945.
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Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps
by slimboyfat ini am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!
magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.
i quote both passages without comment.
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slimboyfat
The Awake! magazine said that the names of concentration camps such as Dachau were unknown before the end of World War 2. This is false.
Historian Laurence Rees states that they were very well known worldwide and quotes a number of sources to make the point. But he is not even trying to prove the point, he is merely stating the fact. Because outside of the 1995 Awake! the idea that names such as Dachau were "unknown" is itself pretty "unknown".
The extent to which the outside world knew about the Holocaust from 1942 onwards is a separate issue which does not relate to widespread knowledge about concentration camps. JWs were inmates of concentration camps from 1933 onwards and spoke about their experiences there, as did many others, as worldwide media reported.
JWs were not sent to extermination camps (unless they were also Jews) when the Holocaust began, so they could hardly report about it.
I suggest you read more about the subject to appreciate the distinction between concentration camps and extermination camps, and between JW experience in concentration camps and Jews during the Holocaust.
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slimboyfat
In the about section:
About
Watchtower Governing Body Member since 1999
One of seven members that run the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania in Brooklyn, New York.This is incorrect the GB no longer hold positions in the Watchtower Society, nor is "Watchtower Governing Body Member" terminology they use.
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slimboyfat
The fb page claims he along with the rest of the GB "run the Watchtower Society". No GB member would ever claim that, they've been denying liability for the Watchtower for close to two decades now.
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Watchtower alternative fact - JWs were among the first to expose concentration camps
by slimboyfat ini am currently reading the new history of the holocaust by british historian laurence rees and it reminded me of a comment in the awake!
magazine i read years ago and trusted as factual.
i quote both passages without comment.
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slimboyfat
Rees said newspapers "around the world" carried stories about the camps, not just one. He also cites books that published details of the camps to the outside world.