Posts by z

i received an sms last night from ozzie himself saying on saturday he collapsed and had to be taken by ambulance to hospital.. he is being operated on again this morning (wednesday 29/6/05 australia time).

as usual with the particular operation he is having there are serious risks.

i ask his friends to send anything positive his way today.

z

Best wishes.

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A newbie's impression on this board, pros and cons

by smelly onions in

cons.

i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.

man, r u guys bitter?

z

could do whatever they wanted. Taking drugs, having orgies, sex with whomever and whenever and getting into criminal enterprises, gambling and for all this there are consequences. Your health, your life, diseases, your economic situation, self destruction towards oneself and others. So maybe we can reach common ground.

Gimme a fucking break I was never JWS or will be one and just for you to know I’m married 2 kids
And never did what you like to do yourself so go to the back room and have good dream and if not good than go for cold shower will help you

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Dubs in Israel bring reproach on Jehovah

by Nathan Natas in

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=84680

missionaries physically attacked anti-missionaries in netanya

16:00 jun 27, '05 / 20 sivan 5765. .

z

ELLEN DLOTT, THE JERUSALEM POST May. 19, 2005

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Some weeks ago, my doorbell rang in the early evening. Normally I wouldn't have answered. Unexpected callers are either selling items I don't need; more frequently they're people who don't read the sign on the door which explains in three languages that the dentist is one flight up. But I was sweeping up dog hairs nearby and thought, okay, I'll open and point them up.

Two well-dressed, sweet-faced women in their 30s stood there.

"Hi," I said. "The tooth doctor is right above me."

"Do you know Jesus?" asked the smaller young lady.

"What?!" I spluttered.

"Oh ? maybe you speak English," the other girl said kindly. "Do you know Jesus?"

"Do you know where you are?" I asked, stunned.

"Of course," they chimed together. "This is Jesus' country."

I did not invite them inside. I declined the pastel-pink literature they pressed on me. I did advise them, as gracefully as I could, to cease and desist. Did they listen? No. As soon as I closed the door, they clattered upstairs and rang another bell.

I've always had a problem with proselytizers. I'm a Christian myself, but just as some haredim regard their secular brethren as goyim, I too am in the "unsaved" category according to Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons and other denominations.

I've read, heard and understood Jewish suspicion regarding apparently benevolent Christian encampments here in Israel. The enlightened among us berate the suspicious and laud the wonderful works of these Christians. It's true: Some have accomplished, by contributing time and money, great deeds. They help finance Eastern European aliya. They have opened soup kitchens. They devote their talents to the needy. They vehemently support the State of Israel.

But what do they want in return?

I'M SUSPICIOUS, myself, and what I've observed, I do not like. I don't like it that Born Again Christians hang out at Jaffa Gate, pouncing on passers-by. I don't like it that Mormons posthumously baptize those of us who didn't raise Joseph Smith on a pole. I don't like it that so many Christians noisily support this country because its existence is part of their agenda.

And I really don't like it that even here in the Negev, where I am part of such a tiny minority I hardly register on the census, I am not free from proselytizers. And neither are you, the Jewish majority.

What they want from me is what they want from you. An invitation to sit and chat. For us to listen. Be convinced. Converted.

We're all fair game.

I have lived in Israel for 20 years. No one has suggested I need to convert to Judaism. No one has implied I don't belong, never mind that I look like a caricature of a goya, bland as Velveeta cheese in coloring and features. Now and then, though, I "pass" ? and I have to say it pleases me. I'm not here to teach. I'm here to learn.

I can't speak for other denominations, but the essence of my own is humility, tolerance and the constant, almost impossible striving to save our own souls. We are taught to listen, learn and shut up, until such time arrives that we are so perfect we can be examples and help others. I'm so distant from that goal, I should be mute for at least another couple of millennia.

Keeping my mouth shut and listening, I have learned so much here. Besides, who the hell am I to preach to you? Your ancestors were devotedly following your spiritually and intellectually rich religion while mine were having hoedowns around trees, sacrificing infants, slavering over stones and whatever else pagans in Europe and North America were into.

I love Israel. Not just for its past, because Jesus walked here and so many places are sacred to me. Not for the future, because the ingathering of the Jews is supposed to herald His return. I love this country for what it is, here and now. In all its exasperating, in-your-face, multicolored and deafening pageantry. Even when it drives me bonkers, it makes me grin. It's a 24/7 circus, a delight to the mind and senses.

So never fear. You won't find me on your doorstep, peddling papers, inquiring about your acquaintance with that first-century superstar, or bouncing around bellowing "Hallelujah!" on street corners.

It isn't a matter of just not being my style. It isn't my religion, any more than it is yours.

The author is a freelance writer and editor residing in Beersheba.

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

z

E F

Hebrew languish content mescaline and feminine if you say where are the people right away we know for sure there are man and woman the question asked was where are the people not where are the man ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? anashim people

Now ????? ??? venedda outam is to know them not to have intercourse with them but on the other hand in Hebrew to know one is also to go all the way (old Hebrew not modern today ) Genesis 4:1Adam know his wife Eve Adam yada eve

Now the word shachab (not shakab) is more to have intercourse but is also to lay down or pass away from the world like shachab eim abvotave lay down with his father (death)

EF

Great work

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

z

ok I give up S*************************

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

z

Oh shit Hebrew word did not come up s****** I'll try agian

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Homosexuality What the Bible Really Says...

by EvilForce in

to all my very patient friends out there thank for your support here.

over many threads i have argued and posted on what various indivdual versus in the bible say.

to put it all together i decided to create it's own topic thread so it could be referred back to in the future.

z

E F

Hebrew languish content mescaline and feminine if you say where are the people right away we know for sure there are man and woman the question asked was where are the people not where are the man ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? anashim people

Now ????? ??? venedda outam is to know them not to have intercourse with them but on the other hand in Hebrew to know one is also to go all the way (old Hebrew not modern today ) Genesis 4:1Adam know his wife Eve Adam yada eve

Now the word shachab (not shakab) is more to have intercourse but is also to lay down or pass away from the world like shachab eim abvotave lay down with his father (death)

EF

Great work