Posts by sixsixsixtynine

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How could I have been so naive and gullible!?

by Mincan in

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i find out that the "sweetest" girl in the congregation is one of the biggest sluts in town!

she was into me, and here i thought she was sincere in the truth and i never made a move, because i was honourable.. i was so lock, stock, and barrel in this cult, so sincere, it makes me sick.

i didn't realise how two-faced and fake everyone in it was until i left and now all the people out are hanging out with the people in!.

sixsixsixtynine

Oh to have found out what you have found when I was only 20.

Amen to that.

Mincan-

Not to minimize how tough it is to find out everything you've been taught is wrong(and all your 'friends' phony), but it many ways you are very fortunate that it happened at such an early age.

Although you may feel backwards compared to other non-witnesses your age, imagine how much harder it would have been if you didn't figure it out until 10, 20, 30 years later?

Things will even out for you eventually. Just take it easy on the booze and drugs right now. Too much of that only makes the transition to the real world much more complicated.

Best, Matt

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Music Fans!! Once again I Ask, What's Your Top 10 Favorite Albums?

by flipper in

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hello gang!

didn't think i'd let you off easy did you?

this one might really make us dig into our personal archives!

sixsixsixtynine

PrimateDave-

Brian Eno with Daniel Lanois & Roger Eno Apollo Atmospheres and Soundtracks

I love that album too. Easily my favorite of Eno's ambient albums, and Lanois' pedal steel playing on it is fantastic.

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Former Jehovahs WitnessAre Hypocrites

by The wanderer in

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former jehovahs witnessare hypocritesit amazes me how these people who once donned three-piece suits .

with book, bag and bible in hand are now singing the blues.

these former jehovahs witnesses, who would annoy a man and his.

sixsixsixtynine

I think a great deal can be learned and a certain level of honesty comes out
from these types of threads instead of asking a direct question.

Hmm.... I have yet to see that in any of these 'how would you respond' threads that you start.

Life outside the WTS is a frightening prospect to the newly emerged adherent. It stings and disappoints. It is full both with an excitement at the release of our spirits, but also a terror at the lack of certainty. We see previously held beliefs which we once would gladly have died for fall away to dust. We see our former comrades begin to explore their newly released selves and experiment with sex, drink, drugs etc and many follow the road to atheism. All the things that we once publicly abhored but may have held inside as our own private struggle are before us like meat on a slab.

HS-

Very well put.

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Musical Dishonesty - What next?

by hillary_step in

one of the saddest and imho dishonest introductions into the popular music world in recent times is the processor introduced by antares called 'auto-tune'.. this combination of hardware and software processes the music, and especially the vocals of musicians, to automatically correct the tuning for example, of voices which cannot hold a note or sing in tune and does so in virtually real-time.

it is used by a growing number of vocalists who are untrained and cannot sing in tune and allows them to parade on stage as if they were note perfect.. numerous amateur and professional performers alike have decided that autotune is one way that removes the need for talent or hard work and have no issue with dishonestly representing themselves as long as the cash flows.

it is set to become standard equipment on tour.. i cannot help but feel that we have lost something big along the way.. hs.

sixsixsixtynine

HS-

If you are looking for the names of these engineers, please let me know and I will contact you off-line. You need to accept that such people exist regardless of the fact that it punches holes in your concepts.

No thanks, that won't be necessary. Nowhere have I denied that people of this viewpoint exist. And, the fact that they do does not 'punch holes in my theory'. It simply means that they (like yourself) have a different opinion than myself. Why do feel this is a 'ridiculous assertion'?

Since this is an ideological debate we are engaged in, it's strange to me that you keep offering 'evidence' to prove your point. This isn't science, just peoples opinions on the use of Auto-Tune.

The use of such deception is neither good for the art, or good for the industry in the long term, even a Spice Girl knows this....lol.

As I mentioned before (and you have yet to aknowledge) not all music is meant to be art. It often aspires to be nothing more than entertainment.

Why you feel all music should live up to your elitist standards is a mystery to me. Do you demand the same 'honesty' from all arts & entertainment?

I suppose you asked for your money back after seeing Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon? After all, the actors weren't really capable of flying around on their own, but used wires to fake it. Dishonest!

Terry-

Thanks for bringing your (as usual)informed and balanced opinion to this thread.

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Musical Dishonesty - What next?

by hillary_step in

one of the saddest and imho dishonest introductions into the popular music world in recent times is the processor introduced by antares called 'auto-tune'.. this combination of hardware and software processes the music, and especially the vocals of musicians, to automatically correct the tuning for example, of voices which cannot hold a note or sing in tune and does so in virtually real-time.

it is used by a growing number of vocalists who are untrained and cannot sing in tune and allows them to parade on stage as if they were note perfect.. numerous amateur and professional performers alike have decided that autotune is one way that removes the need for talent or hard work and have no issue with dishonestly representing themselves as long as the cash flows.

it is set to become standard equipment on tour.. i cannot help but feel that we have lost something big along the way.. hs.

sixsixsixtynine

HS-

Didn't this happen last time we 'spoke'? You recall, that I presented comments from Larry Coryell regarding an musical issue and your reaction - "Larry Corryell is a boring guitar player"...lol

No, that was almost two years ago, and my exact words were:

So, have I heard of Larry Coryell? Yes I have, and am familiar with his work. While I would never call him a "bad" player(as his technical ability is obvious), I find his music/playing very uninteresting. There's little in it that is surprising, original, or "fresh".

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/94991/1617961/post.ashx#1617961

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Musical Dishonesty - What next?

by hillary_step in

one of the saddest and imho dishonest introductions into the popular music world in recent times is the processor introduced by antares called 'auto-tune'.. this combination of hardware and software processes the music, and especially the vocals of musicians, to automatically correct the tuning for example, of voices which cannot hold a note or sing in tune and does so in virtually real-time.

it is used by a growing number of vocalists who are untrained and cannot sing in tune and allows them to parade on stage as if they were note perfect.. numerous amateur and professional performers alike have decided that autotune is one way that removes the need for talent or hard work and have no issue with dishonestly representing themselves as long as the cash flows.

it is set to become standard equipment on tour.. i cannot help but feel that we have lost something big along the way.. hs.

sixsixsixtynine

HS-

Well, in actuality you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with the opinions of professionals in the field that I noted in my post. You offered no rebuttal in the form of evidence , just opinion.

Are you refering to you statement: "I know studio engineers who refuse to work with auto-tune". This is supposed to mean something to me? That some anonymous 'professionals' you know won't use Auto-Tune? That's hardly proof of any kind of prevailing opinion in the industry. Do you have any better evidence to support your claims?

Professional musicians have threatened to sue people who accuse them publicly of using auto-tune

You gave one example (Spice Girls), but use the plural here. Who are the others you refer to?

I am aquainted with studio engineers, professionals in the rock industry who refuse to use auto-tune. You have no answer as to why this is so other than to suggest that they, unlike your good self of course, are opinionated! Surely you must see how suspect your comment is.

You didn't answer the question from my previous post. Would these 'professionals in the rock industry' also refuse to punch-in and fix vocal parts that were out of tune/time. Someone like yourself who is involved in the recording industry no doubt knows how much that is done. Sometimes to the point where nearly every word is recorded seperately. Isn't that just as dishonest'? The end result is something that singer couldn't do; sing the song from start to finish in perfect pitch and time.

The reason for the use of effects in a studio is not for correction of basic tuning, and this is the point of this thread. The intent of these effects is not to represent something that the musicians are incapable of doing. On the contrary, they are the creators of the sound from which the effects originate. This is not in the least comparable.

Again you completely ignore the subject of overdubs & punching-in. The end result of those techniques is something the musicians are incapable of doing. Namely, playing/singing their part from start to finish with zero mistakes.

It matters not a jot that a thirteen year old kid has no interest in whether they are being decieved about a performers true abilities or not, but it matters to many, and a growing number of professionals in the industry. I have given examples above. The use of such deception is neither good for the art, or good for the industry in the long term, even a Spice Girl knows this....lol

If you chose to respond to this post, please specifically answer these questions:

Do you aknowledge that not all music is meant to be art, and not all perfomers are artists, some are just entertainers?

If so, then how is the use of Auto-Tune any different than an actor using a stunt double, or makeup to change their appearance? Do you regard that as 'dishonest' also?

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Musical Dishonesty - What next?

by hillary_step in

one of the saddest and imho dishonest introductions into the popular music world in recent times is the processor introduced by antares called 'auto-tune'.. this combination of hardware and software processes the music, and especially the vocals of musicians, to automatically correct the tuning for example, of voices which cannot hold a note or sing in tune and does so in virtually real-time.

it is used by a growing number of vocalists who are untrained and cannot sing in tune and allows them to parade on stage as if they were note perfect.. numerous amateur and professional performers alike have decided that autotune is one way that removes the need for talent or hard work and have no issue with dishonestly representing themselves as long as the cash flows.

it is set to become standard equipment on tour.. i cannot help but feel that we have lost something big along the way.. hs.

sixsixsixtynine

HS-

Man, do you have a penchant for missing the point, and I mention this as an historical issue with you.

Disagreeing with you is not the same thing as missing the point. And I certainly do have a history of the previous.

When a person pays money to hear a person sing, takes the trouble to support their performance and finds that not only cannot the 'singer' sing, but that their voices are artifically adjusted to actually sing in tune, this is dishonest and verges on fraud. If you cannot see that this effects the broad-sweep of musical recording of all genres and lowers the credibility and authority of the 'art', then what more can I say.

What you fail to understand, is that music means different things to different people. Not everyone is as concerned about musical purity and 'honesty' as you are. Do you really think that the people who "take the trouble to support" a Spice Girls, Madonna, Cher or any other 'theatrical' type perfomance care if the performers use Auto-tune? I don't think so. So again I ask, why should you? You have no respect for that type of music anyway. WHY do you care?

Not all music is 'art', sometimes it's just entertainment. Would you similarily dismiss a movie as 'dishonest' if the actor uses a stunt double? Or if they use computer generated special effects?

Auto-tune differs, as I have noted, differs at a base level from these other studio enhancements that you mention. Nothing like them!

I totally disagree. Punching in, overdubs, loops, samples and all the signal processing that is used amount to the same thing. The end result is a recording that was not performed in real time, and acoustically could never have happened in the real world. To me, correcting the pitch on vocals is no more 'dishonest' than the rest of these common practices.

I know studio engineers who refuse to work with auto-tune, but use these other techniques. Why do you think that is?

For the same reasons you are opposed to it, I imagine. Doesn't mean they're right, just opinionated. Do they also refuse to punch in vocal parts, to correct spots where the singer was out of tune? I doubt it.

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The results of Dr. Laura's parenting

by sixsixsixtynine in

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5934072.

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http://bigheaddc.com/2007/06/02/the-shocking-photo-that-prompted-army-to-investigate-dr-lauras-son/.

sixsixsixtynine

her own mother and she were disassociated for past issues and her mom died alone with her bird, undetected for days......struck me as odd.

I have read that they believe she had been dead for several months before being discovered.

If his webpage were a fabrication, I'm guessing she would be the first to point it out. As far as I can tell she hasn't mentioned it once.

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The results of Dr. Laura's parenting

by sixsixsixtynine in

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5934072.

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http://bigheaddc.com/2007/06/02/the-shocking-photo-that-prompted-army-to-investigate-dr-lauras-son/.

sixsixsixtynine

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5934072

http://bigheaddc.com/2007/06/02/the-shocking-photo-that-prompted-army-to-investigate-dr-lauras-son/

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Musical Dishonesty - What next?

by hillary_step in

one of the saddest and imho dishonest introductions into the popular music world in recent times is the processor introduced by antares called 'auto-tune'.. this combination of hardware and software processes the music, and especially the vocals of musicians, to automatically correct the tuning for example, of voices which cannot hold a note or sing in tune and does so in virtually real-time.

it is used by a growing number of vocalists who are untrained and cannot sing in tune and allows them to parade on stage as if they were note perfect.. numerous amateur and professional performers alike have decided that autotune is one way that removes the need for talent or hard work and have no issue with dishonestly representing themselves as long as the cash flows.

it is set to become standard equipment on tour.. i cannot help but feel that we have lost something big along the way.. hs.

sixsixsixtynine

HS-

I don't really understand why this is important to you. Judging from the artists you've mentioned as liking in this and other threads, I doubt any of them have or would ever use an Auto-Tune type program. Why do you care if artists you don't like or respect do?

By definition nearly all modern recordings are 'dishonest', as what we hear coming from the speakers is never what it would sound like to us in person. Most drum kits have a mike on every drum and cymbal plus overheads. Is that how our ears would here it live? Compression, limiting, reverb, overdubs, multitracking, are all also 'dishonest', do you oppose them as well.

Stevie Wonder, Prince, Paul McCartney and many others have made albums where they played every instrument, overdubing them one by one. Is that 'dishonest'?

Jeff Beck, who you raved about in a recent thread has used loops, sampling, and sequencing on his last few albums. 'Dishonest'?

Those 'backwards' guitar parts that Jimi Hendrix played were just reversed tape. Was he being 'dishonest'?

About the only way to get a truly 'honest' recording of how we would actually hear the live performance would be to use a binaural recording technique. How many of the thousands of Lp's and CD's that you own were recorded that way?

Ultimateley, I feel that even if an artist uses Auto-tune or other 'studio tricks' it still comes down to whether or not the song is any good. And if it is who cares what tools they used to make it? A good song is a good song.