Would you be able to scan your 1/1/89 WT for us? The copy posted on the internet looks "well studied". A cleaner copy would be appreciated!
ezekiel3
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WT Literature Gems ...
by ithinkisee in.
i got an original 1/1/89 wt - which says that the end would come before 2000 - before they changed it in subsequent bound volumes and cd-rom w/out telling anyone.. i also got a 1969 (purple cover) kingdom interlinear.
it is the one with the blatant mantey misquotes - you know - the ones that he fired off a letter regarding and demanded they remove mention of him and a public apology.. just thought i would share .... -ithinkisee
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Need help on KM songs
by acuragirl incan someone please tell me the first song numbers from the july km?
i need july 11th and july 25th.
all i need is the numbers of the first song that is sung.
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ezekiel3
July 25 Service Meeting
Opens with song 138, closes with 82
PM me if you need this info in the future.
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About The Book, What Does The Bible Really Teach? New Release at the DC.
by Blueblades inwhat's new about the information in it?
a friend gave me a copy to read, nothing new in it for me.
you find anything new?
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ezekiel3
No new info, I have read it through
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Witnesses review books on Amazon.com
by sixsixsixtynine in"you people are all idiots" post reminded me of some the witness reviews i've seen on amazon.com.
enjoy!
weak and wrong, march 18, 2003. .
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ezekiel3
And the book is?
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Perfection - Without Defect
by Farkel ingod said his animals were "good.
but something perfect has no defects.
otherwise, they wouldn't be perfect.
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ezekiel3
Sweet...a debate with Farkel
Before I address your response, let me say that I believe that we actually agree on the more gross points of your topic. In fact, I understand how your argument devastates JW doctrine (essentially because of JW's concept of human perfection).
My fault with your reasoning is that you yourself set up a straw man with your original argument, that is:
Perfect creatures are without defect. Dying shows a defect. It shows that something breaks, causing a creature to die.
True that perfection is defined as being without defect. But nowhere can I find "defect" or "imperfect" equated with death.
Now if that definition is the WTS understanding of humans, then fine. But by no means is this a universal fact. Indeed, even a JW could point to their doctrine and show that God created animals "perfect" and yet they die.
My comments about 'joining cults' and 'enjoying life' were not meant to be personal. Indeed, the resurrection and promise of eternal life is the magnet that joins and keeps poor souls in the machine of the WTS.
Finally, I am not a "true believer" and have no plans for myself after I die. Until then, I hope you accept this reconciliation.
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Perfection - Without Defect
by Farkel ingod said his animals were "good.
but something perfect has no defects.
otherwise, they wouldn't be perfect.
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ezekiel3
Dying shows a defect.
You may being be framing your argument with WTS "thinking", but I would take issue with the statement above.
"Dying" is occuring at every level of the physical world at all times. Humans die, and we as humans don't like that because we are afraid of losing what we "are" as individuals.
But even besides animals, insects and plant life die constantly in a perfect circle of ecology. On another level "non-living" entities like rocks, mountains and continents die and become amassed into other forms. Even stars and planets die.
If you can't handle that fact that death is part of life, join a cult. Otherwise embrace the pattern of life around you and rejoice in this moment because you can.
If humans could get past their egos they might realize they involved in a life-cycle -- of which death is a perfect part.
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Would Jesus give an answer to apostate's questions?
by zagor inwell if we look in bible we would have to conclude: yes he would.
even if we were to assume characteristics that wtbs is attributing to us we would have to say that jesus would still give an answer.
look in matthew chapter 4 where he apparently even gave answer to an ultimate apostate, he was neither silent nor did he try to avoid confrontation, he (jesus) according to bible, even used opportunity to his own advantage.
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ezekiel3
(Matthew 4:1-11) . . .Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2
After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry. 3 Also, the Tempter came and said to him: "If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread." 4 But in reply he said: "It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.’" 5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: "If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’" 7 Jesus said to him: "Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’" 8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me." 10 Then Jesus said to him: "Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’" 11 Then the Devil left him, and, look! angels came and began to minister to him.
First you notice that God led Jesus to Satan "by the spirit" "to be tempted".
And then Jesus not only converses with Satan but reasons with him by quoting scripture.
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The Atheist's Book of Bible Stories - Ch. 16 - The Power of Prayer
by RunningMan inthe power of prayer
wouldnt it be great to have a magic wand?
in other words, you cant give everyone everything they want.
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ezekiel3
For example, I have been told that you can’t pray for just anything, it has to be according to God’s will. Well, if you can only pray for things that God already wills, and no one can possibly stop the Almighty, then why bother praying? It will happen anyway.
Thanks for that gem. A concise silver bullet for the "prayer placebo".
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How To Overcome Watchtower Control in One Lesson
by metatron inwhile reading a book about the intelligence community, one quote stood out like a gem.. a highly experienced experimenter and mind control authority said:.
"today it is a well-understood tactic of mind manipulation that if an unknown and .
unresolvable guilt can be established among a group of people, that group can be.
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ezekiel3
Great thoughts!
Definition of GUILT:Function: noun
: feelings of culpability especially for imagined offenses or from a sense of inadequacy : morbid self-reproach often manifest in marked preoccupation with the moral correctness of one's behavior <aggressive responses originating in inner guilt and uncertainty>
Source: Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guiltBut in fact are not most Christains (non-JW) also subject to this concept?
"Adam and Eve sinned and so do you"
Indeed "guilt" has been the shackles of religion.
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JW nudists (aka What's wrong with this picture?)
by melmoth insorry if this has come up before but i'm new and it only just occurred to me.
we all remember (or still see regularly, joe-help-you) those wt illustrations of people living happily in a paradise on earth, cavorting peacefully with the animals.
everyone is dressed like retired wasps (no offense to retired wasps intended).
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ezekiel3
Actually it is a point of speculation called the "naked truth" in some circles.