Posts by dubstepped

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What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

by dubstepped in

i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

dubstepped

@Morpheus - Your assertion seems to be that the trial was kind of an emotional railroading of the pre-dubs back then. The powers that be knew that they were somewhat in the wrong so they let it go.

Could it also be that since the war was over, they simply wanted to move on to matters with more relevance that retrying a case about war postwar? The Writ would essentially cause them to start all over, going after an organization for something they could no longer be doing after such a monumental war. Was it just time to move on?

I guess what I'm saying is that it's difficult to read intent into the decision to let it go. You may be right, as the other suggestion may be as well. Do you have anything from back then that gets to the motives of letting it go? I'd be interested in seeing writings about why they dropped it.

Regardless, it sure doesn't seem to be the heroic time it was made out to be where they were simply being singled out and unjustly persecuted.

Thanks everyone for the information. It was an interesting time.

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What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

by dubstepped in

i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

dubstepped

Fascinating stuff. It helps to round out the narrative some. They made it seem like this was all some pointed attack specifically at them, as narcissists love to do, and of course made themselves the heroes of the story.

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What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

by dubstepped in

i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

dubstepped

So then, did they embellish their stories regarding what went down then? Obviously they embellished with prophecy, but it seems like they may have been fairly straight with their story?

I can't remember if they claimed that it was simply government interference or if they claimed that religion was behind it.

There weren't many followers back then so they couldn't have had much impact on raising an army.

Thanks for the input TD!

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What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

by dubstepped in

i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

dubstepped

I had never thought about this until just now when I saw that Nathan Natas posted some early tract from Rutherford, and it made me think back to what little I could remember of the history I was taught. I now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor. So I'm now assuming I was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

I honestly struggle to remember what I was taught, though I remember them tying all of the goings on into prophecy after the fact.

So, does anyone know what the deal really was? Who was after them? Why? What happened before and after? Anybody got the scoop on that part of history?

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Quick hello and recent baby pic.

by Darkknight757 in

just wanted to say a quick hello.

this was a pic yesterday on nurses week at henry ford with one of izabella’s primaries.

the first pic was at her nicu graduation.

dubstepped

Knowing your story, I could not love this more. Thanks for coming back and sharing this. So awesome and adorable at the same time.

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Who are the 144,000?

by Canadian Sunshine in

if i am understanding correctly only 144,000 will go to heaven, to be with jesus and help rule?

these 144,000 are witnesses only.

there is over a million jw world wide, what happens to the rest of the faithful followers.

dubstepped

You seem to have a ton of questions. Something that might help you is to listen to my 9 part series called This JW Life. You can listen on iTunes or wherever you like (Google Play, other podcast apps). You can also stream directly from my site at thisjwlife.com. I think it would help present everything in one package for you. I make no money on it, there's no ulterior motives, I just shared to help people understand that life.

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Things you didn't expect to like...

by sparrowdown in

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stuff you never expected you would do or enjoy doing as a non-witness.... researching - always thought i hated study and reading turns out it was just wt literature i hated studying and reading.

having political opinions and just having opinons and beliefs that are not set in stone and that i am free to assess, review and adjust as i become more aware of imformation .

droping the f-bomb every now and again to make a point feels surprisingly good but that may just be post-religious rebellion that wears off... eventually.

dubstepped

People. I always hated people as a JW. I love people now.

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Motherly Love, that "Unbreakable Bond"

by Simon in

my father died a couple of months ago.

he'd been ill for some time and had many health scares and heart troubles over the years but always managed to keep on going.

then one time he didn't.. i'm glad i got to know him again and spend some more time with him after so many years missed because of the wts but those years will always be lost forever.

dubstepped

Ugh so much loss due to that craptastic cult and the drones that follow it. I'm sorry it cost you so much but glad you and your dad reconnected.

I won't be attending my mom's funeral either. She brought that poisonous garbage into our home and wrecked our family with it. I truly blame her for so much, regardless of her motives, and think she's a truly awful person. I have compassion for what got her there, but find it hard to let go of the destruction she brought in and her continued adherence to it.

So glad you still had some family, and that experience overseas sounds amazing. Good for you.

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Nephew’s JW Fiancée Begins Conversion to Judaism Due to Passover Date

by Rabbi Midge in

it’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).

this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.

these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.

dubstepped

Eh, I'm confused, but whatever the case I wish everyone well. Not really knowing who you're talking to is part of the interwebs. For all you guys know I'm a wealthy and brilliant man masquerading as a podcast superstar that cleans houses. I have to lay low to keep the fans away.

Whatevs. This thread didn't go well no matter who was behind it. Best to just move on and be happy.

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Nephew’s JW Fiancée Begins Conversion to Judaism Due to Passover Date

by Rabbi Midge in

it’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).

this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.

these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.

dubstepped

Wow. That would explain why they sent me a pm with personal information on David Jay. I thought it was weird but was glad to hear that he was doing well. If he's pretending things like this it makes me wonder how well he's really doing. I like busting liars as much as the next person, but this is also sad if true.